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Postby The Eva Monkey [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 pm

OMF wrote:Back to the topic. What say you Monkey?
I am curious as to what functionality this component has. I won't be losing any sleep over it, and I'm not going to formulate any theories about it, not even the supposed safety factor. Afterall, what need for restraint is there in a liquid environment? None. The only real injury or pain the pilots are seen experiencing is from the A10 connection, and the manifestation of injuries associated therein.

If this seatbelt theory is going to be pursued, using the examples of Shinji's use and Misato's non-use, I wouldn't take it any further until you do some research into the seatbelt laws of Japan as they existed during the time of the show's production. For all you know, there could be some law that only requires minors to wear a seatbelt, or that the trends in use decrease amongst people of Misato's age. Or there could be special regulation concerning government officials for non-use. The later might be a stretch, but it would be interesting if research of that nature could provide substantiation.

I also noticed that the "seatbelt" is present in Asuka's plug in episode 22 as well. So there may be some correlation to the use of weaponry like the positron rifle.

I'm still interested if someone could discover at least the name of the component from notes and diagrams in NewType 100% or Sore o Nasumono. I've looked through, and Sore o even has a page entitled "Variable Seat" with notes pertaining specifically to this component. I wish I didn't suck at Nihongo.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 00:29 GMT

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Postby AsukaxSohryux [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 pm

I still believe the extra components aka "seatbelt" has to do with the use of long range and ballistic weaponry.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 04:35 GMT

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Postby Ornette [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote:I'm still interested if someone could discover at least the name of the component from notes and diagrams in NewType 100% or Sore o Nasumono. I've looked through, and Sore o even has a page entitled "Variable Seat" with notes pertaining specifically to this component. I wish I didn't suck at Nihongo.

Do you have scans of those that you can send me?

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 06:10 GMT

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Postby The Eva Monkey [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 pm

Ornette wrote:Do you have scans of those that you can send me?
Unless someone else does, I'll scan and post them tommorow.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 06:30 GMT

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Postby OMF [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:17 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote:If this seatbelt theory is going to be pursued, using the examples of Shinji's use and Misato's non-use, I wouldn't take it any further until you do some research into the seatbelt laws of Japan as they existed during the time of the show's production.


Seek and ye shall find. Seatbelts are compulsury in Japan since 1985. Shinji was never the type to break the law, we know Misato bends laws on several occassions. However, I'm not sure if this much detail is required for this issue, though as ever, it is unwise to view the show from a "western" viewpoint.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 18:58 GMT

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Postby Dr. Nick [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote:They requisitioned it's use, they didn't confiscate it.

Methinks it woudn't have been the least bit strange if they just hid the cannon and then claimed they knew nothing about what had happened to it. "What positron cannon? There must be some mistake here, we've never received anything like that. Goodbye, and thanks for calling!" Gendo is known to do nastier things, after all. But I haven't paid much attention to the technical details, so you're probably right.

KenOhki'sRage wrote:Either that wasn't taken into consideration when Shinji and Rei were in each other's evas and therefore we get a continuity error, or the smell they have of each other is from the eva itself (possibly the reused LCL?) and they are in fact, within their own native plugs.

Isn't it possible to swap the seat-thingamabob from one plug to another? It doesn't seem to be a fixed part of the plug.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 19:13 GMT

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Postby OMF [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Dr. Nick wrote:Isn't it possible to swap the seat-thingamabob from one plug to another? It doesn't seem to be a fixed part of the plug.


It isn't. The revelant shots are from episode #06.
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I believe I read somewhere that certain fighter pilots have their cockpits customised to such a degree that they even have their seats shaped to fit the curvature of their spine. That could just be an internet rumour though.

Still, a level of seat customisation for the Eva pilots does not see overly outlandish.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 21:10 GMT

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Postby The Eva Monkey [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

OMF wrote:Still, a level of seat customisation for the Eva pilots does not see overly outlandish.
If it were based upon pilot preference, then that would not account for why Asuka and Rei use the component in episode 22.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 23:12 GMT

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Postby AsukaxSohryux [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

I stand firm on that the seatbelt is for long range and ballistic weaponry.

Originally posted on: 03-Feb-2006, 23:21 GMT

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Postby The Eva Monkey [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

As promised, here are some scans from Sore o Nasumono:

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http://www.evamonkey.com/randomimag...nasumono_52.png
http://www.evamonkey.com/randomimag...nasumono_53.png

I'm putting money on the table that the block of text on page 52 explains EXACTLY what the added component does.

Originally posted on: 04-Feb-2006, 21:18 GMT

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Postby AsukaxSohryux [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Wow, by looking at the sketches, it seems to be a type of computer that controls Eva movements. I would like to know what that text block says. Come on out translators. Image

Originally posted on: 05-Feb-2006, 00:04 GMT

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Postby Ornette [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

The Eva Monkey wrote:I'm putting money on the table that the block of text on page 52 explains EXACTLY what the added component does.

That block of text, unfortunately, has little of value. Seems it is mostly just the designer talking about his run-ins with Anno during the design phase.

My friend should have the translations finished soon, been putting in a lot of effort on the NGE2 translations.

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 16:16 GMT

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Postby rockthing [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

The image labeled 53 reads something like this:

[In the large rectangular box near the top center of the image:]

"Normal Sequence and Hard Sequence
Seat Design degree of rigidity chart
(This isn't for differntiating colors)"


◯ white areas are made of hard material

◎ grey areas are made of somewhat hard material, synthetic rubber board-like hardness.

● dark areas are soft material

[then the small squares pointing to each of the seat designs]

"Hard Sequence"

"Normal Sequence"

[and the text just above 'Variable Seat']

"Side flank cushion swells under braking."

and yes, as Ornette said,
the large block of text on image 52
mostly is about the artist's
experiences with Director Anno on the design of
the cockpit.

He's primarily concerned with the cockpit being in
the chest cavity, like Gundam, and whether or not
that would cause the chest plate to be thin and
if it would interfere with the spinal column and
these sort of 'real life' issues.
At first he seems a little disgruntled about the fact that
terms like 'entry plug' and so forth
(doesn't mention others by name) were already
decided before he got to work on them.

He also tells an anecdote about Anno vividly describing
the scene where Reigouki's entry plug has to be
ejected during the testing malfunction and explains
that normally a parachute would open there when it runs out of fuel, but there wasn't enough time.
At this point the designer realises that this is going
to be a real anime....

or something like that...

I'm about 90% confident on he part about the parachute,
but
basically it has nothing to do with Shinji's 'seatbelt',
which my compleeeeeeetly uneducated pet theory is
that it's only there to keep him from running away again.
He has to be strapped down to get him in the thing.

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Ornette warned me not to expect a warm reception
to my theory, however, it may be warmer than I'd like
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Thanks for the nice and big scans!

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 17:13 GMT

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Postby AsukaxSohryux [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

The parachute idea is far fetched considering we are talking about a "seatbelt". Parachute wont be able to open in liquid =/.

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 17:18 GMT

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Postby Ornette [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Err, he means when the entry plug was ejected from Eva-00 during the first berserk, and Rei got badly hurt.
rockthing wrote:He also tells an anecdote about Anno vividly describing
the scene where Reigouki's entry plug has to be
ejected during the testing malfunction and explains
that normally a parachute would open there when it runs out of fuel, but there wasn't enough time.

The "HE" in this quote is the person who wrote what was in the box on pg 52. And, Yes, it has nothing to do with the seatbelt.

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 17:22 GMT

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Postby AsukaxSohryux [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Ok, yeah I misread, it happens. A seatbelt there to keep Shinji from running away. LOL, thats a funny theory. But, Rei and Asuka use the seatbelt too. I beleive its used for long range/high powered weaponry.

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 17:23 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

rockthing wrote:He also tells an anecdote about Anno vividly describing
the scene where Reigouki's entry plug...


They pronounce it "Zerogouki", FYI. We reserve "Reigouki" for wonders like this. Image

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Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 17:34 GMT

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Postby The Eva Monkey [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

rockthing wrote:basically it has nothing to do with Shinji's 'seatbelt',
which my compleeeeeeetly uneducated pet theory is
that it's only there to keep him from running away again.
He has to be strapped down to get him in the thing.
There must be a functional purpose to it all, afterall, why would both Asuka and Rei use it while their Evas are operating positronic rifles?

And judging by how thoughtful the designers are, even so far as to create diagrams as to the hardness of the materials designing the plug, there must be a specific and functional purpose. The trick is finding where it is stated.

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 19:50 GMT

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Postby OMF [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

rockthing wrote:I'm about 90% confident on he part about the parachute,
but
basically it has nothing to do with Shinji's 'seatbelt',
which my compleeeeeeetly uneducated pet theory is
that it's only there to keep him from running away again.
He has to be strapped down to get him in the thing.


Symbolically, this could be right on the money. Shinji, alone of all the pilots, is coerced into piloting. The seatbelt could represent his obligations to pilot that bind gim to his role.

Originally posted on: 08-Feb-2006, 08:05 GMT

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Postby Zugzwang [ANF] » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Greetings.

My question: What about the implied phallic symbolism?

Originally posted on: 07-Feb-2006, 21:23 GMT


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