The origins of Marduk.

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Postby IAmTacoSalad [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

Merodach (Marduk) was refered to as Bel-Marduk (Lord) when he took the position of the head of the Babylonian pantheon.

In Deuteronomy 12.31, 18.10–13; 2 Kings 21.6; Ezekiel 20.26,31; 23.37 there are references to "passing children through fire lmlk".
mlk translates to melek or "king".

Kings 11:5 "For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites."

Kings 11:7 "Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and lmlk, the abomination of the Sons of Ammon."

Kings 10:31 And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.

W. H. D. Rouse:

"the Greeks were as firmly convinced as many modern Bible-readers that the Semites, or the Orientals generally, worshipped a god called Baal or Bel, the truth of course being that ba'al is a Semitic word for lord or master, and so applies to a multitude of gods. This "Bel," then, being an important deity, must be the sun, the more so as some of the gods bearing that title may have been really solar."

"Zondervan's Pictorial Bible Dictionary (1976):
"At first the name Baal was used by the Jews for their God without discrimination, but as the struggle between the two religions developed, the name Baal was given up in Judaism as a thing of shame, and even names like Jerubbaal were changed to Jerubbesheth: Hebrew bosheth means "shame".

W. Robertson Smith and George F. Moore:
"That Baal was primarily a sun-god was for a long time almost a dogma among scholars and is still often repeated. This doctrine is connected with theories of the origin of religion which are now almost universally abandoned. The worship of the heavenly bodies is not the beginning of religion. Moreover, there was not, as this theory assumes, one god Baal, worshipped under different forms and names by the Semitic peoples, but a multitude of local Baals, each the inhabitant of his own place, the protector and benefactor of those who worshipped him there. Even in the astro-theology of the Babylonians the star of Bēl was not the sun : it was the planet Jupiter. There is no intimation in the OT that any of the Canaanite Baals were sun-gods, or that the worship of the sun (Shemesh), of which we have ample evidence, both early and late, was connected with that of the Baals ; in 2 K. 235 cp 11 the cults are treated as distinct."

Báʿal is Standard Hewbrew
The mesopotamic Akkadian direct translation is: Bēl

Thus the connection between Bel-Marduk/Moloch (Ba'al)/Milcom is that they are one and the same.

Otto Eissfelt discovered inscriptions with the word mlk while excavating in Carthage. Discovered was a sanctuary to the goddess Tanit, a consort of Baal, comprising of a cemetery with thousands of burned bodies of human infants, dating from the 8th century BC to the destruction of Carthage in 146 BC.

Jeremiah 7.31:"At Topheth in Hinnom Valley you have built altars where you kill your children and burn them as sacrifices to other gods. I would never think of telling you to do this."

Rabbi Shlomo Yarchi:"Tophet is Moloch, which was made of brass; and they heated him from his lower parts; and his hands being stretched out, and made hot, they put the child between his hands, and it was burnt; when it vehemently cried out; but the priests beat a drum, that the father might not hear the voice of his son, and his heart might not be moved."

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 07:16 GMT

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Postby Seele08 [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

Interesting, so does the 108 dummy corporations have any signifigance.

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Postby zuggy [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

108 is a holy number, I think it is the number some monks use for their beads and they count them for meditation.

1 represents the oneness of God.
0 represents the Void from which all creation sprang.
8 represents the infinity of creation or God.

… if I remember right.

That's some good research IAmTacoSalad, I'll have to go over it in more detail later. Image

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 13:01 GMT

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Postby BigBet [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

108 is my roll number. But this information may not be relevant.

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Postby IAmTacoSalad [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

Seele08 wrote:Interesting, so does the 108 dummy corporations have any signifigance.



In Buddhism there are exactly 108 sins.

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 15:21 GMT

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Postby Seele08 [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

IAmTacoSalad wrote:In Buddhism there are exactly 108 sins.


I demand you list them all! Image
Nah but I'm sure Gendo has commited most of them.

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 15:24 GMT

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Postby zuggy [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:43 pm

108: The number of stitches on a baseball. Image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29

There seems to be loads of religious ideas tied up with this number.

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 15:27 GMT

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Postby Seele08 [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:44 pm

ZOMG there was an accesory item in Final Fantasy Tactics called "108 Gems" that was a bracelet that warded of vampirism status effect. Which is only present in like one battle if memory recalls. Granted it was a boss fight....in which Ramza get's "bleeped" For saying a four letter word.

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Postby LuigiHann [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:44 pm

"Hindu deities have 108 names" sounds relevent... ish.

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Postby Seele08 [ANF] » Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:44 pm

LuigiHann wrote:"Hindu deities have 108 names" sounds relevent... ish.


Fits right in with SEELE's coat of arms being the face of god, since NERV and SEELE were just manipulating the Marduk Institute which served as "other names" for Gendo, Keel, and Fuyutsuki.

Originally posted on: 20-Apr-2006, 15:42 GMT


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