Rei, Lilith, and Quantum Mechanics

Notable old Evangelion threads from the AnimeNation Forums are preserved here.

Moderators: Monk Ed, Ornette

Shin-seiki [ANF]
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Posts: 925
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Shin-seiki [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

I came across a scan from Vol 7 of the NGE Manga that give the clearest view yet of the diagram on the floor of Gendou's office. Here is a side-by-side comparison of that image and one of the bubble chamber images I dug up off of Google:
Image

Needless to say, this makes me even more confident in my theory that the image on the floor is a representation of sub-atomic collisions in a bubble chamber...

Originally posted on: 23-Sep-2003, 14:00 GMT

Shuboltz [ANF]
Embryo
User avatar
Posts: 6
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Shuboltz [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

i've seen the semi-naked (maybe it's really naked) pictures in EoE even tho i've always wondered "why is that thing there?" i left the question behind.


i still don't know why tho. (it's weird, since i've seen it from the first time i've been imagining a lot of things why it's there and what that thing is doing... )

Originally posted on: 23-Sep-2003, 14:37 GMT

saiyajin prince [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 153
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby saiyajin prince [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

Are you talking about Rei when she was in that tube?

Originally posted on: 23-Sep-2003, 15:04 GMT

Shin-seiki [ANF]
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Posts: 925
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Shin-seiki [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

Reichu wrote:There's a hand in there (think the Thing from "Addams Family"), but the layers beyond that I have no idea. You'd probably need to watch the whole mess in motion to make more stuff out (there's LOTS of naked/semi-naked chicks, from what I recall).

Hmm... Seems I have inadvertently distracted this thread from the wholesome subject of quantum mechanics...

I read that those images are rotoscoped fro real porn movies; if you consider the lines in that scene:

Women's voices (Misato, Rei, Asuka):
Do you want to be at ease? To feel at peace?
Do you want to become one with me?
To have our bodies and souls... become one.

which, of course, refers back to ep20:
---
Misato: I'll be kind to you. Well, Shinji-kun. Do you want to become one
with me? Do you want us to become one in body and soul?
It feels so wonderful. I'm ready. I'm always ready.

Asuka: Hey, stupid Shinji. Do you want to become one with me? Do you
want us to become one in body and soul? It feels so wonderful.
I'm asking you. Come on!

Rei: Ikari-kun. Do you want to become one with me? Do you want us to
become one in body and soul? It feels so wonderful.
Ikari-kun.

Misato: Do you want to become one with me?

Asuka: Do you want us to become one in body and soul?

Rei: It feels so wonderful.

Misato: Come on, now. Relax. Make your mind free.

Obviously this is the ultimate example of the Instrumentality=Sex metaphor.
Instrumentality is the Great Ultimate Group-grope in the Sky! Come one, come all!!!...
Ahem. So what does this have to do with Quantum Mechanics, anyhow?

Originally posted on: 23-Sep-2003, 17:38 GMT

GandalfsWhisper [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 169
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby GandalfsWhisper [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:Ahem. So what does this have to do with Quantum Mechanics, anyhow?



Everything has to do with quantum mechanics Image

Originally posted on: 24-Sep-2003, 00:19 GMT

Reichu [ANF]
Angel
Angel
User avatar
Posts: 3651
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:So what does this have to do with Quantum Mechanics, anyhow?



You've got me by a hog-tie. Rather intrigued that you decided to resurrect my comments from a couple pages back, though. Image

Originally posted on: 24-Sep-2003, 02:28 GMT

Siendra [ANF]
Embryo
User avatar
Posts: 48
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Siendra [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:25 pm

Originaly posted by Shin-Seki
[b]edit: Tho the two nested circles kinda look like the orbits of electrons around a nucleus...



Maybe, but it really doesnt make a lot of sense. An electron never really "orbits" the nucleas of an atom. The movements are erratic, but contained within a specific shell/layer.

It's still a good observation.

I came across a scan from Vol 7 of the NGE Manga that give the clearest view yet of the diagram on the floor of Gendou's office. Here is a side-by-side comparison of that image and one of the bubble chamber images I dug up off of Google:

Image

Needless to say, this makes me even more confident in my theory that the image on the floor is a representation of sub-atomic collisions in a bubble chamber...



That is very compelling. The similarities are striking.

Again, nice work, Shin-Seki.

Originally posted on: 05-Oct-2003, 00:10 GMT

saiyajin prince [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 153
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby saiyajin prince [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:26 pm

Wasn't there about two pages about sex?

The triangle is a necassery peice of a geometric equation related to all life. My guess is that bothe Seeles mask and the screen cap have something to do with that.



What about a circle?

Originally posted on: 05-Oct-2003, 03:56 GMT

Siendra [ANF]
Embryo
User avatar
Posts: 48
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Siendra [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:26 pm

I dont beleive circles ever some into the equation, but then, I really dont understand most of it.

Originally posted on: 06-Oct-2003, 08:16 GMT

nicotine [ANF]
Embryo
Posts: 5
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby nicotine [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 pm

whoah man, taht was deep

Originally posted on: 06-Oct-2003, 17:52 GMT

AchtungAffen [ANF]
Shamshel
Shamshel
User avatar
Posts: 281
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby AchtungAffen [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 pm

About that mistery pic, this is what it looks to me:

On the left you have some semi-transparent pair of legs (upper part on the top). You have another pair of legs on the same orientation on the right side of the image.

Then you have the pair of legs, knee-bended on the middle. The red stuff, seems pretty obvious: menstruation flowing (although on a strange pattern)

What do you think?

BTW: Great thread, makes me feel like the Evan discussion never died, and never will, doesn't matter how long it takes...

Originally posted on: 07-Oct-2003, 08:50 GMT

Reichu [ANF]
Angel
Angel
User avatar
Posts: 3651
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 pm

Ne, Achtung, I pretty much spelled that "mystery image" out back on Page 2:

It's two legs from above, bent at the knees, with what is apparently a flow of menstrual blood coming from between them. (Don't let the layered-in hand in the background confuse you, now...)



Originally posted on: 06-Oct-2003, 23:46 GMT

saiyajin prince [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 153
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby saiyajin prince [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 pm

siendra wrote:I dont beleive circles ever some into the equation, but then, I really dont understand most of it.



Wait, what equation:???:....I don't even know what we're talking aboutImage

Originally posted on: 06-Oct-2003, 23:51 GMT

Reichu [ANF]
Angel
Angel
User avatar
Posts: 3651
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:28 pm

saiyajin prince wrote:Wait, what equation:???:....I don't even know what we're talking aboutImage



It's a figure of speech, deary... ::hands saiyajin prince a thick tome of English idioms::

Originally posted on: 06-Oct-2003, 23:56 GMT

saiyajin prince [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 153
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby saiyajin prince [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:28 pm

I know but since I haven't been here for some time I can't remember what we're talking about and too lazy go look back.

Originally posted on: 07-Oct-2003, 00:19 GMT

Reichu [ANF]
Angel
Angel
User avatar
Posts: 3651
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:28 pm

saiyajin prince wrote:I know but since I haven't been here for some time I can't remember what we're talking about and too lazy go look back.



::groans and smacks self in face:: For some reason, that explains a lot...

Image

Originally posted on: 07-Oct-2003, 00:22 GMT

Siendra [ANF]
Embryo
User avatar
Posts: 48
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Siendra [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:28 pm

I was being serious. Theres an equation thats necessary for the existence of all life. Triangles (or the degrees equaling a triangle) are a necessary part of it. After a little research, I've found that circles have nothing to do with it.

Originally posted on: 09-Oct-2003, 23:30 GMT

ranmachen [ANF]
Embryo
Posts: 2
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby ranmachen [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:31 pm

In the case of Rei, this might explain why we see an apparition of Rei appear before Misato and Ritsuko as they die,



I'm sure someone has already stated this, but also, In the first episode when Shinji sees Rei standing there.. you see her then.

Originally posted on: 10-Oct-2003, 19:32 GMT

saiyajin prince [ANF]
Tunniel
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 153
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby saiyajin prince [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:31 pm

siendra wrote:I was being serious. Theres an equation thats necessary for the existence of all life. Triangles (or the degrees equaling a triangle) are a necessary part of it. After a little research, I've found that circles have nothing to do with it.



Oh, I was thinking about that circle of life phrase which is why I asked about itImage

Originally posted on: 10-Oct-2003, 19:44 GMT

Shin-seiki [ANF]
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Posts: 925
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Shin-seiki [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:31 pm

I found this amusing, and sort of on-topic:
(fron Roger Ebert's review of 'Kill Bill')
By the same token, Thurman wears a costume identical to one Bruce Lee wore in his last film. Is this intended as coincidence, homage, impersonation? Not at all. It can be explained by quantum physics: The suit can be in two movies at the same time.

Image

Originally posted on: 21-Oct-2003, 12:05 GMT


Return to “AnimeNation Archive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 30 guests