What Gendou said to Ritsuko: Solved? (seriously)

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Postby Batous Eye [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:Ritsuko thinks about it for a sec...
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Rit...#39;_Liar09.jpg

(Needless to say, I don't think the apparent concurrence of these two images is a coincidence; it is the point of this whole post that the obvious resemblence, not merely in the expression on her face, but the fact that her face is framed and lit in exactly the same way, is deliberate, and is designed to indicate that she is going back in her mind to what SEELE told her in ep23'.)



You entire argument hinges on this connection between _Liar09.jpg and the same exact face in the interrogation. I agree with you that the animation absolutely implies a connection. But what is the connection? She makes that face when she finds out Gendo sailed her up the river to Seele. (At least in her mind). It seems to me you could say that she is remembering this moment, and nothing more. The mystery then remains since we don't know how to interpret this connection.

Originally posted on: 27-Mar-2006, 02:22 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Ornette wrote:I think that was brought up in one of the Ritsuko threads that Shin-Seiki started. I had thought of that when I watched this ep right after I got my DC dvds, but the tone of the "liar"/"you lie" sounded different.



She just says, "Uso!" Uso = lie.

Asuka also responds with this to the news of Kaji's death, and Shinji goes, "Uso da! Uso da! Uso da!" ("It's a lie!") when he learns about Kaworu-kun.

However, after Gendo tells her... nothing at all, Ritsuko replies, "Usotsuki" = "liar".

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Originally posted on: 27-Mar-2006, 13:06 GMT

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Postby Mr. sickVisionz [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

So we can all agree that Gendo basically said something that implied some affection for Ritsuko, and then she calls him a liar?

I figured he said something a bit more sentimental (and obviously a lie) like "I love you" type of thing after it. Gendo is a jerk and he's horrible on women. When you really go back in his past, its like the only way he knows how to solve a problem is to have sex with a woman who knows the answer. From Yui to Ritsuko's mom to Ritsuko (in the middle i'd argue he was boning Rei, but theres no concrete 100% way to prove that): he has sex with women to get what he wants. Thats like his first approach to problem solving. He wanted to get in more with the early stages of instrumentality, and its hinted that he starts boning Yui just because she ha the connections. Later when it suits his purpose, he bones Ritsuko's mom. Haha, and when she dies he still needs stuff so he just starts boning her daughter. The only woman in the history of Evangelion to ever hold a position of power and not get dicked down by Gendo is Misato.

Haha, that dude is a jerk to women. The smile on his face during that scene with him, Ritsuko and Rei let me know he was being the same Gendo i'd always come to love. At that point it had to be obvious that Gendo has no real love for anyone. Haha, when his some asks him why he summoned him, the only reason he can give is, "I have a use for you." In that situation, him saying something affectionate actually would have easily gotten Shinji into the Eva, but Gendo loves pulling the "jerk move" at every possible opportunity. That smile on his face lets me know he was being a jerk to her with whatever words he said.

Its also ironic that the only time in the whole series where you see him not in the power seat is when Rei rejects him for Shinji. Thats like the only time you see that he has vulnerablities. Even when the EVA bites his head off, dude is calm cool and reserved the entire time. Theres no panic to him. No sweat.

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 08:12 GMT

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Postby Mr. sickVisionz [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Damn, after being taken to my post i'm just now realizing this thread is 15 pages deep.

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 08:15 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Mr. sickVisionz wrote:When you really go back in his past, its like the only way he knows how to solve a problem is to have sex with a woman who knows the answer. From Yui to Ritsuko's mom to Ritsuko (in the middle i'd argue he was boning Rei, but theres no concrete 100% way to prove that): he has sex with women to get what he wants. Thats like his first approach to problem solving.



More like, "that's the sort of impression people would take away from his character even though it's not really supported by anything but superficial evidence".

He wanted to get in more with the early stages of instrumentality, and its hinted that he starts boning Yui just because she ha the connections.



I'm starting to suspect that said "hint" might have been telling us more about the way that Gendo was publicly perceived than the actual nature of how he approached Yui...

Later when it suits his purpose, he bones Ritsuko's mom.



It's more like she was doing a bit of "jumping".

Haha, and when she dies he still needs stuff so he just starts boning her daughter.



See the above.

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 08:38 GMT

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Postby Batous Eye [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Reichu wrote:Yes -- Gendou is actually impotent, Viagra has no effect, Shinji had to be conceived via in vitro fertilization, and the only reason Naoko and Ritsuko ever put up with him is because he has "the hands of a dyke".



Hahahahaha Reichu hahahahh no comment!

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 01:36 GMT

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Postby Ackerz [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Puting a bit more seriousnes into this thread. IIRRC there is no accual evidence that Ritsuko's mother has commited suicide (if there is then my whole theory is shot to hell). If Ritsuko's mother was killed by somebody then my money would be on Gendou, she has killed his only connection to his Yui which would make him preety pissed off. This could be supported by the visual of Ritsuko's mother right after she has stangled Rei 1, I have perssonaly iterpreted that as a "Oh my ****ing God he is going to kill me for this" look.
On this note if Gendou really has killed her and he wanted to stun Ritsuko or just wanted to confess (which would kind of fit into his personality) to her his last words could take this course of action:
Gendou:"In reality (using the direct translation) I have killed your mother."
To which she would answer in disbelief because she was in love with the man that has killed her mother.

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 06:34 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Newtype Filmbook 8 rather straightforwardly says, "She throws her body down from the Command Center" (Kanojo wa mizukara no karada o, hatsureijo kara nage-otosu).

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 11:14 GMT

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Postby Michiyo_Yoshiku [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

Watch AMV Hell and this long thread will be answered *silly grin*

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 11:55 GMT

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Postby LuigiHann [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:44 pm

I'm sure this has been suggested before
"Ritsuko Akagi, the truth is... I am your father."

More seriously, what if it was "I didn't mean for any of this to happen" or "I didn't intend to hurt you" or some crap like that?

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 13:14 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 pm

LuigiHann wrote:I'm sure this has been suggested before
"Ritsuko Akagi, the truth is... I am your father."



And Rokubungi-kun would've been, like, HOW old?

More seriously, what if it was "I didn't mean for any of this to happen" or "I didn't intend to hurt you" or some crap like that?



I like my version better.

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"Akagi Ritsuko-kun. The truth is, you're just like that old hag."

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 13:34 GMT

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Postby LuigiHann [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 pm

"You've become like your mother" (or "you've become like the old hag" if you prefer) might do it, because for some reason that seems more ominous.
If it weren't for the "Truly--" at the beginning, I'd want it to be
"Say hi to your mom for me" (thinking of Biff's line from Back to the Future)

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 14:59 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 pm

You don't have to translate "hontou ni" as "truly". It's a very flexible little doodad, so you'd have lots of options to pick from depending on what the context is. Since we have no idea what the heck Gendo says, something more "accomodating" like, uh, "the truth is..." is probably the best option.

(Incidentally, the words I picked for Gendo can be translated more than one way, too. Image "Old hag" is just funny, and all.)

I dunno, of all the things that could have come out of Gendo's mouth, some calm little statement about "you and yo' mom" feels rather more satisfying than the other stuff I've heard. "Oh you liar, you! But it's so true!" :BANG!:

Originally posted on: 28-Mar-2006, 15:32 GMT

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Postby OMF [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 pm

Truely.....

.....Soylent Green is People....

Originally posted on: 30-Mar-2006, 22:00 GMT

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Postby Takumi [ANF] » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:45 pm

"Ritsuko Akagi...the truth is...4chan for the win!"

Gendou rocks the 4chan handcore. He's like the ultimate Tripcode ******..

Originally posted on: 31-Mar-2006, 00:20 GMT


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