Common Misconceptions

[Dr. Nick]

A quick'n'dirty list of common misconceptions has been created, discussions go here. It's nothing fancy, but I have no doubt it will eventually become the best page in the universe.

I pussied out and didn't include "Shinji accepts instrumentality in EoTV" on the list yet, because it is THE monster relic of all fandom controversies and it's going to need a very special treatment.

Likewise, I didn't include the following two items, because are we, like, totally-dingly sure about these?

- EVA-01 has nothing to do with Adam
- Only humans were complemented

These sound more like T&A pages to me... But then again, I have distanced myself from the seething core of the fandom so I don't know about any recent findings. Please edit if need be.

Then, a request: can we have a "part of the common misconceptions series" template (preferably with a small pic of Fuyutsuki facepalming)? LCL is a good example of a page where it could come in handy, after the "notes" subheading. We want to make these suckers stand out.


And then, we want them to die.

[Ornette]

I pussied out and didn't include "Shinji accepts instrumentality in EoTV" on the list yet, because it is THE monster relic of all fandom controversies and it's going to need a very special treatment.

Although, I think something like this should be included (not in misconceptions, mayhaps), but the argument has been pretty well summed up on MDWig's site; and I don't mind it being rewritten here.

Likewise, I didn't include the following two items, because are we, like, totally-dingly sure about these?

- EVA-01 has nothing to do with Adam
- Only humans were complemented

I don't know if they should be part of the "Common Misconceptions", as far as I know, there's plenty of good argument on both sides under the microscope.

hen, a request: can we have a "part of the common misconceptions series" template (preferably with a small pic of Fuyutsuki facepalming)?

That image rocks for a misconceptions page.


Also: http://evacommentary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=114 which was kind of old, and there was a slightly newer one on ANF (used to be) that didn't have nearly as much discussion.

[V]

I'm glad that you started work on this.

However, a single page like this should not exist.

It should be spread out amongst the relevant Theory and Analysis pages which will develop.

This might rapidly spiral into basically having something saying "it's a common misconception that the soul in Eva 00 is Rei I, it's really Naoko Akagi"

it basically reduces the "Theory and Analysis" pages from long, educational walk throughs of the arguement, to simply ordering people what to believe.

I'll leave up what you wrote for the moment but merge it into other things as it progresses.

[Eva Yojimbo]

I agree with V, but the idea of having a slight separation between T&A and Misconceptions might be a good idea. I was trying to think of stuff that people think that has actually been flat out proven false... Maybe something like the Rei/Misato/Asuka beach hybrid girl? What else?

[V]

Maybe something like the Rei/Misato/Asuka beach hybrid girl? What else?

Oh, there's going to be an entire article devoted to that

I've been thinking this over: don't worry yourself and just write what you feel like now, however you want.

The actual information you're writing is fine I just thought it might be better to shuffle it off onto more germane sections of other pages, but that's just me fiddling with it once you're done.

Continue as you were.

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

Then, a request: can we have a "part of the common misconceptions series" template (preferably with a small pic of Fuyutsuki facepalming)?

It is done!

[Reichu]

are we, like, totally-dingly sure about these?

- EVA-01 has nothing to do with Adam
- Only humans were complemented

These sound more like T&A pages to me...

I agree.

BTW, DotS was implanted into the community consciousness well enough that I and others actually need to remind people that the idea was falsified. Maybe "Adam and Lilith never had a bitch-fight" should be on there, too...

[Dr. Nick]

02:57, 14 August 2007 UrsusArctos (Talk | contribs) (Andromeda Strain similarities completed, please let messenger theory stand until I find citations)

Holy shit, Ursus, that is some awesome work! I haven't even read the book myself, only seen the movie. I haven't read any of Crichton's works after reading Congo...

Do you own the movie yourself? If not, PM me your snail mail address and I'll send you the dvd once it arrives. Seriously, I'll give it to you for free, because it's proven that you are so much more qualified to dissect it than I am.

[UrsusArctos]

No, I don't own the movie. As a matter of fact, I have a 30-year old hardcover version with the pages threatening to fall off the spine, and I don't have the movie. I came across the "601" reference by sheer coincidence, and it was only when I was looking at the Wikipedia talk page for the NGE article that I spotted someone mentioning bits about the messenger theory and remembered what Andromeda was all about! I almost did a facepalm when I remembered that Andromeda was a grid of hexagons, one that switched itself on and off!

I don't have the DVD, and God knows where it's available where I live (India). I've fished out the old book, and I'm still reading it...I managed to pull off the whole decontamination thing and the race to stop a nuclear explosion out of my head, and I remember one of Leavitt's dreams: that of a house isolated from the rest of the world. I hope too many juicy details aren't gone with the missing pages, I'll get back if I find more references.

[V]

ITDMMA, why do you live in India?

[UrsusArctos]

ITDMMA? I'm not familiar with that acronym.

I'm an Indian from India, that's why I live there. (Curiously enough, I'm a native speaker of English- I was in the U.S. as a kid)

Just a reminder...umm...we're going a little off topic here.

As for Adam and Lilith having a b*tch fight, no, I don't see them waving those huge pitchforks about or tossing punches over their kiddies. CI be damned, it all makes more sense if FAR staged the Giant (First) Impact after all. With Adam put to sleep, Lilith on Earth, and Earth with a Moon (The Moon absorbs a lot of meteorites that could cause serious trouble for Lilim-type life), the FAR leave one or more copies of the Dead Sea Scrolls for the Lilim to find, and keep Adam skewered.

Adam and Lilith were within their original Moons (Satellites...I guess both of them were in orbit around the Earth and Moon billions of years ago), and the FAR hoped that the Lilim would send the two original seeds and the fourteen/fifteen children of Adam on their way as well as any new Seeds of Life that they might create. More messenger bugs! Humanity would live on from the creations of both the First (FAR) and Second(Lilim/Homo Sapiens) human races.

[Reichu]

As for Adam and Lilith having a b*tch fight, no, I don't see them waving those huge pitchforks about or tossing punches over their kiddies.

You know you'd be won over if Anno and company animated an awesome battle sequence driven by an apocalyptic classical chorus.

I don't think the FAR made any trips off their Homeworld. That's what the Seeds were for; and the Spears were there to do various mysterious things in the FAR's absence. Like skewering the Seed who rightfully "owns" a particular planet once another Seed crashes the party by virtue of "bad luck".

Satellites...I guess both of them were in orbit around the Earth and Moon billions of years ago

"Moon" is just what the carriers are called; they're not satellites.

Anyway. I think I'm going to add the "bitch fight" to Misconceptions, since it comes back to "torment" me often enough.

[Dr. Nick]

The Dummy Plug Plant is the Chamber of Guf

Source/rationale, please? At least in the past anything and everything related to Guf used to be one big swamp of speculation...

[UrsusArctos]

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[UrsusArctos]

You know you'd be won over if Anno and company animated an awesome battle sequence driven by an apocalyptic classical chorus.

I don't think the FAR made any trips off their Homeworld. That's what the Seeds were for; and the Spears were there to do various mysterious things in the FAR's absence. Like skewering the Seed who rightfully "owns" a particular planet once another Seed crashes the party by virtue of "bad luck".

I'm not sure I would in this particular case.

How else do you explain the scrolls, or the spear in Adam? Or the fact that Lilim came so many billions of years after the FAR? They'd been about- I'm sure of that. They just wanted to leave lasting communication for those who came after them, since their own civilization wouldn't last forever.

Oh, and CI be damned.

[Ornette]

Hmm, if the doors of guf implies that there is a chamber of guf, then unless there was a dummy plug plant in the white moon, it would imply that a chamber of guf != dummy plug plant because they said the doors of guf was opening during Adam's rampage.

[Reichu]

Source/rationale, please? At least in the past anything and everything related to Guf used to be one big swamp of speculation...

Fuyutsuki:
The Chamber of Guf has been unsealed...
Have the doors to the world's beginning and end finally opened?

This is after big vulvae (which the script calls "Doors of Guf") form on GNR's palms. Whatever the Chamber of Guf is, it would require a great manifestation of Fuzzy Logic to conclude that it is a tank full of (dismembered) Rei clone corpses.

They'd been about- I'm sure of that.

Blatant Speculation!

Oh, and CI be damned.

I don't see you rejecting it in its entirety...

[UrsusArctos]

Let's just send a few messenger bugs to Anno-tachi and make sure that there are no miscommunications.

[Dr. Nick]

This is after big vulvae (which the script calls "Doors of Guf") form on GNR's palms. Whatever the Chamber of Guf is, it would require a great manifestation of Fuzzy Logic to conclude that it is a tank full of (dismembered) Rei clone corpses.

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

[Sailor Star Dust]

In terms of Common Misconceptions, were

"Anno made EoE as revenge"

and "Those death-threats were for EoTV" mentioned anywhere?

The latter especially is one I see A LOT on fan's web pages, though the former's a close second. People just don't seem to get those death-threats were written due to Death & Rebirth ending where it did.