Ramiel versus Zeruel

[UrsusArctos]

Which angel do you think would demolish the other, if both got into a fight? Zer's got the attitude and the mercilessness, Rami is clinical, precise, and unwaveringly brutal.

(Gah, I can't set up polls yet. I guess it has to be a forum-based grudge match...)

[Reichu]

Polls are disabled in this forum. Monkey doesn't like them.

Well, hmm, it's hard to say. Zer can make those badass cross-shaped explosions that can penetrate the Geofront in one go, but Ramiel also has an ATF. If Zeruel could get through it from a distance, he'd be fine. If he had to get up closer, he might be in trouble. "EAT MY HEAT RAY OF DEATH!!!" Zeruel isn't exactly the most mobile guy around, and we never really see how even badass ATFs hold up against that ray.

Not that it would be a problem for Wild 'n' Crazy Yui.

[UrsusArctos]

Add the fact that Ramiel can shoot a long way and even pick up targets before they reach the surface, Zeruel might have that heat ray heading for him before he charges up those mighty optic blasts of his...

I really wonder how the awakened Yui-sama would deal with Ramiel, since Zeruel seems a little slow with his blasts. He doesn't try to shoot her a second time and get rid of her once and for all once she's awakened and ripped his arm off, and tries to fire when he's at the brink of death...and off goes his head. He's foolish. Or his blasts have a large cooldown time. Or both.

[V]

quantifiably, Zeruel's energy blast was more powerful than Ramiel's. It could easily blow off an Eva's arm and blasted through 18 of 22 armor layers in a single shot.

[Reichu]

Add the fact that Ramiel can shoot a long way and even pick up targets before they reach the surface, Zeruel might have that heat ray heading for him before he charges up those mighty optic blasts of his...

Ramiel has to charge up, as well -- you can see this happening before ve shoots EVA-01.

I really wonder how the awakened Yui-sama would deal with Ramiel

She's much faster than Zeruel, and her ATF is pretty badass, both defensively and offensively. She can do the cross-shaped blasts, as well. If not dispense of Ramiel from a distance, get close in (where the ray would be useless) and do some of her magic.

since Zeruel seems a little slow with his blasts.

He does two types, though. There are the ones that set off the eye halations and produce the cross-shaped pillars (also used by Sachiel and Israfel, with variations from two Evas), and it seems like these can be set off fairly spontaneously. (Though there may be a potential "down time" in between shots.) For some reason, Zeruel isn't seen using this in close quarters, unlike Sachiel, who produced a ground-crawling version. He does that focused eye beam instead, which he needs to (somewhat inconveniently) charge up.

He doesn't try to shoot her a second time <snip>

I get this sense that Zeruel had lost all sense of calm efficiency and submitted to panic and fear at that point. Actually, I think he started losing it as soon as Sho took him by surprise, and he decided to stick around and try killing her once she was down, instead of just going ahead with his business.

[UrsusArctos]

Even with Ramiel's (longer) charge-up time, Ramiel can targets before they can see him or even come from underground. The charge-up time is irrelevant if Zer's too far off to send his own blasts.

Shogoki and Nigoki only do the cross-shaped blasts in EoE, if I remember correctly. Why and how Nigoki set off that blast makes no sense, and Shogoki conveniently blew off the pyramid on top and was set for Godhood, S2 and all.

I wonder why she didn't do her ATF badassery on Ramiel instead...do you suppose Ramiel would've met Zeruel's fate if he came as the fourteenth angel instead?

You're right, Zeruel was a moron. Why try using the toilet paper of doom instead of another explosion to kill her, or even try to kill her at all? He could've gone back to his usual demolition, no problemo. Well, Yui-sama must've been grateful for his foolishness. :twisted:

EDIT: Speaking of Sachiel, doesn't he suddenly seem a lot more powerful than before? His cross-blasts blew through the geofront's roof too! Did Yui stop his blast with ATF magic again(I thought that blast was because she'd negated his AT field)? Judging from the way Zeruel blew off the armor and Ramiel boiled Shinji even with the armor on, there should've been a lot of damage. There isn't.

[Reichu]

The charge-up time is irrelevant if Zer's too far off to send his own blasts.

What's Zer's range?

Shogoki and Nigoki only do the cross-shaped blasts in EoE, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, but there was nothing intrinsically different about Yui then than there was at the end of #19. And if EVA-02 could do it, then it's just a latent Eva power that they decided not to show us until that point.

Why and how Nigoki set off that blast makes no sense

Why: Because it looks cool, explosion, and visual parallelism.

How: She's part of Adam's Family.

I wonder why she didn't do her ATF badassery on Ramiel instead...

Too early in the show.

do you suppose Ramiel would've met Zeruel's fate if he came as the fourteenth angel instead?

Sounds like getting at Ramiel's core and eating the contents would cost too much to animate. ;)

You're right, Zeruel was a moron.

I don't think he's a "moron" per se. I just think he's... human?

Why try using the toilet paper of doom instead of another explosion to kill her, or even try to kill her at all? He could've gone back to his usual demolition, no problemo.

"Oooooo, bitch, you've really pissed me off!! I let those other Mama-wannabes live, but you won't be so lucky. Roasting Lilim at point-blank range can wait! The Mission can wait! And to hell with efficiency! I'm going to do this SLOW and HARD -- and get off on every fucking second!" :BAM!: :BAM!: :BAM!: etc.

Speaking of Sachiel, doesn't he suddenly seem a lot more powerful than before? His cross-blasts blew through the geofront's roof too! Did Yui stop his blast with ATF magic again?

The one that crawls along the ground? Well, they don't really say, but she does seem to be joyfully oblivious to it, doesn't she?

[UrsusArctos]

What's Zer's range?

Good point. I assume that Ramiel can see and shoot further than Zer, but maybe it's because I'm biased towards the flying monolith. I guess blast power comes in the same category as an Eva's height- inherently meaningless. (AT fields are a different matter entirely)

Yeah, but there was nothing intrinsically different about Yui then than there was at the end of #19. And if EVA-02 could do it, then it's just a latent Eva power that they decided not to show us until that point.

Tsk, tsk. Silly Evas. Why not kick angel butt with cross-blasts? I guess they're human after all...

How: She's part of Adam's Family.

That made me think of the Addams Family...(Lurch's moan) UUHHHHHH! Big Momma herself would do a lot more ass-kicking than the kiddos if she were back in her old body... 8)

Sounds like getting at Ramiel's core and eating the contents would cost too much to animate. ;)

True. :)

[TheAyanamiOtaku]

hmm i wonder ram's blades on his (idano if ramiels a dude or a gal) hands/arms can stay extended, something like a zealot's energy blades, for those who've played starcraft.

anyways, if he can keep his blades extended and get to a distance where he can slice zer's arms off like shogouki, then it might be possible to defeat zeruel. or maybe thats too unnecessary. i need to look at the ramiel episodes again.

also, if things get dicey, he can self-destruct and destroy both himself and zeruel, if zer's armor doesn't hold up....hmmm very interesting thread :P

[Snowshadow Falcon]

I think someone is getting the Angles mixed up again. :P

[Reichu]

I think someone is getting the Angles mixed up again. :P

Do you know the difference between acute, obtuse, and right?

[Snowshadow Falcon]

For a second, I thought I really did make a typo.

[CitizenGeek]

Whoa, I thought I knew a fair amount of stuff about Eva - then I found this site, and turns out: I really don't know all that much beyond the blatentely obvious about the series :(

What's all this about Yui? IIRC, the role she played in the anime was nowhere as large as a lot of people here seem to say it was. Perhaps it's just some kind of EvaMonkey in-joke? If not, I'd really appreciate if someone could enlighten me or at least point me in the direction of enlightenment (by linking to another thread). Also, what was the Divinity Trinity? I think that 'trinity' included Yui. Gah! Evangelion = EVEN MORE confusing than I originally thought it was!

ANYWAY, as for the question posed. Zeruel would totally own Ramiel, and pretty much every other Angel for that matter (with the exception of Arael, who he probably wouldn't be able to reach).

[Mr. Tines]

What's all this about Yui? IIRC, the role she played in the anime was nowhere as large as a lot of people here seem to say it was.

Yui-sama is pretty much the main character, even though she lets Shinji think he is doing stuff (to help boost what little ego he has).

I do think her fashion sense went a bit downhill after 2004, though. Green does not really go with her favourite colour, purple.

[DatDude]

@ CitizenGeek Your right they are just some Yui fans around here with active imaginations.

[CitizenGeek]

@ CitizenGeek Your right they are just some Yui fans around here with active imaginations.

I know that the soul of Yui was in Eva 01, but even at that it, she didn't play that big of a role at all.

So, this Yui stuff is all just one big in-joke by some hyperactive Yui fans?

[the_seventh_child]

So, this Yui stuff is all just one big in-joke by some hyperactive Yui fans?

Well, she's like the man behind the curtain imo. She does all the dirty work.
Especially in EoE.

[Sailor Star Dust]

Yui being in Eva is help things according to HER scenario so she can stop Seele from causing THEIR version of Instrumentality.

Basically she's one of those characters that we know nearly anything about, but is actually most aware of what's going on, especially when planning things.

...Kinda like Rei in some ways.

[Space Penis]

Well, she's like the man behind the curtain imo.

Like the Wizard of Oz, only with armour-plating.

[BrikHaus]

Yui is the Mary Sue character of Evangelion. She was perfect, everyone loved her, was a wonderful mother, all powerful, all knowing, yadda yadda yadda.