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Postby silvermoonlight » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:32 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:This is kinda like saying, "geez, another WWII movie with tanks?" It's a nonsensical objection, since tanks were everywhere in WWII. The same should be true with walkers in SW -- they're a stock part of the Empire's military, and should show up everywhere they can reasonably be used, same as TIE fighters.


That's why I loved with Rogue Ones final war scene so much because it reminded of me WW11 when they breached the beaches of Normandy even though it was sci fi and it had that feel of utter desperation as the rebels were throwing everything they'd got at the base and trying to the break the planet shield right to the point that they were willing to ram a ship in to just to break it while on the planet to you had an utter blood bath going on with walkers everywhere firing at the troops.
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Postby movieartman » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:54 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Weird to see the people who praised the steaming & visually ugly garbage pile of shit that was the Ghost in the Shell remake give that teaser a shrug but what can ya do.

Oh I do very much think the Last Jedi teaser was gorgeous visually. It just didn't grab me emotionally at first. Repeat viewings have elevated it tho.
The gits trailer blew me away as I never in a million years thought they would be so faithful visually with the cloak suit & such. I guess the giant holograms could be considered garish but I have no idea what could be considered ugly about the footage we got in the promotional material. (haven't seen the film yet, in pain after work most of the time so don't feel like going & sitting in a theater after).

View Original PostBagheera wrote:This is kinda like saying, "geez, another WWII movie with tanks?" It's a nonsensical objection, since tanks were everywhere in WWII. The same should be true with walkers in SW -- they're a stock part of the Empire's military, and should show up everywhere they can reasonably be used, same as TIE fighters.

I absolutely see your point but we just got them in R1.
The homages didn't bother me personally in TFA, I am just predicting people will be much harsher on this for rehashing then TFA got as this no longer has the excuse of "bringing back the classic feels".

My bigger problem with Starkiller was less it's presence then it destroying the entire republic without us getting to see it and appreciate what our heroes accomplished after Rotj. :uhh:

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Postby RadicalRandy » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:03 pm

R1 is just a few years before Empire, and it's completely understandable that they would be using similar models (outfitted different, of course) for the Battle of Hoth. However, this is taking place 30 years after ROTJ. AT-TEs were used in the Clone Wars and were of a radically different design compared to AT-ATs. If these new walkers look too similar to AT-ATs without proper justification, I'll be disappointed. Again.

Starkiller Base is stupid, honestly. I would've preferred if they made it the capital ship using methods of bombardment a la the Leviathan in KOTOR. Starkiller Base is just a discount Death Star reenactment. At least change the shape...
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Postby silvermoonlight » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:30 pm

View Original PostRadicalRandy wrote:Starkiller Base is stupid, honestly. I would've preferred if they made it the capital ship using methods of bombardment a la the Leviathan in KOTOR. Starkiller Base is just a discount Death Star reenactment. At least change the shape...


I agree with that I think they should've used a biological weapon similar to a nuke that kills in a similar way but leaves the planet buildings completely untouched, because they they could have sent it to one planet (Coruscant) and then sent out the threat to the others to get on their knees and obey or the same will happen to them and to hand over the rebel leader Leia or they'll fire it on two more planets. Cue the countdown with the rebel attacking the weapons base and a load of people attacking General Leia's base from the sky and being killed because they want to capture her and give her to Empire.
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Postby RadicalRandy » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:58 pm

I do believe that they used chemical weaponry against the Geonosians post-Death Star completion for a (nearly) complete genocide to keep the station a secret. It was very effective, considering that it wiped out an entire planet minus one worker.
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:06 pm

View Original PostRadicalRandy wrote:R1 is just a few years before Empire, and it's completely understandable that they would be using similar models (outfitted different, of course) for the Battle of Hoth. However, this is taking place 30 years after ROTJ. AT-TEs were used in the Clone Wars and were of a radically different design compared to AT-ATs. If these new walkers look too similar to AT-ATs without proper justification, I'll be disappointed. Again.


This is a bit amusing, as a fair bit of the military hardware in use in the real world is well over 30 years old. The most popular firearm in the world, for example, remains the AK-47 -- which first entered service in 1949, close to 70 years ago. The M1 Abrams, still the main U.S. battle tank, entered service in 1980, 37 years ago. The YF-23, regarded as a newer fighter model, first entered service in 1990, 27 years ago. The A-10 Thunderbolt entered service in 1976, and is scheduled to remain in service until at least 2028.

Simply put, 30 years is nothing when it comes to service history for military tech.
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Postby Sachi » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:32 pm

The next season of Rebels will be the final season, as many expected. Sad to see it end, but also glad that it'll get a proper ending unlike Clone Wars.

Dave Filoni teased an image of a character Warwick Davis will be voicing, Rukh. Those of you familiar with Legends will know that...

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Rukh was a bodyguard that served Thrawn, that would later betray and assassinate him. I'm really hoping they take a different route with this.

Dave Filoni also confirmed that Ashoka will be making a return. During the entire Rebels panel, he was wearing a shirt that said "Ashoka Lives ? ", and after showing the season 4 trailer, he had changed his shirt to "Ashoka Lives ! ". Looking forward to her return and the role she'll play.

Although I'm less certain that it will happen, I think it would be nice to feature the Ghost crew's perspective of the Battle of Scarif. Sort of doubt they'll be able to work it in, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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Postby RadicalRandy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:54 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:This is a bit amusing, as a fair bit of the military hardware in use in the real world is well over 30 years old. The most popular firearm in the world, for example, remains the AK-47 -- which first entered service in 1949, close to 70 years ago. The M1 Abrams, still the main U.S. battle tank, entered service in 1980, 37 years ago. The YF-23, regarded as a newer fighter model, first entered service in 1990, 27 years ago. The A-10 Thunderbolt entered service in 1976, and is scheduled to remain in service until at least 2028.

Simply put, 30 years is nothing when it comes to service history for military tech.


Tbf, this is Star Wars tech. I try to support my points from in-universe examples of technological progression.

silvermoonlight wrote:I agree with that I think they should've used a biological weapon similar to a nuke that kills in a similar way but leaves the planet buildings completely untouched, because they they could have sent it to one planet (Coruscant) and then sent out the threat to the others to get on their knees and obey or the same will happen to them and to hand over the rebel leader Leia or they'll fire it on two more planets.


The weapon(s) used for the Geonosian genocide supposedly did not destroy the buildings/underground caves, as shown in Rebels. They just got dun killed.

Sachi wrote:Dave Filoni teased an image of a character Warwick Davis will be voicing, Rukh. Those of you familiar with Legends will know that...

Dave Filoni also confirmed that Ashoka will be making a return. During the entire Rebels panel, he was wearing a shirt that said "Ashoka Lives ? ", and after showing the season 4 trailer, he had changed his shirt to "Ashoka Lives ! ". Looking forward to her return and the role she'll play.


Honestly didn't even think that was Rukh in the trailer because I've associated Noghris with those blue fellas from Jedi Knight 3: Jedi Academy and generally having a wider head. I've still got mixed feelings about Ahsoka living past Season 2. A duel versus her former master ending in her death would have been a very interesting ending to her storyline.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:30 am

Well, after watching the teaser, the title makes a lot more sense now, the Jedi Order may end, but force users will not. It is quite logical, with users choosing a side of the force would throw things out of balance. I see a future where people will use both light and dark force powers like the Grey Jedi of the Expanded Universe. Also hoping that they have a cool name to replace "Jedi" with Luke being alone for so long, he should have a list...

Also... this is basically my sentiments about the movie as a whole.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:40 am

As someone put it best online: The Jedi will end like the Empire will end..... it didn't. It just got a rename.
It's not the Empire. It's the First Order.
He's not Darth Vader. He's Kylo Ren.
That's not the Emperor. That's Supreme Leader Snoke.
It's not a Death Star, you fool. It's a Starkiller Base. Duh.

It's a great foreboding title & I'm positive Rian Johnson is going to make an excellent movie but the Jedi really aren't going anywhere.

Disney is following their Marvel template & wants to ALWAYS have new Star Wars theatrical content on the horizon to always keep people's interest on high. The plan is one new grand-scale Star Wars film every year for the foreseeable future. Most likely a few years down the line they'll expand to releasing two Star Wars a year & possibly more. Plus, at some point they'll start branching out to Netflix TV shows. A network TV show. Streaming content. Shorts. Etc etc. Kind of like how back in 2010 Marvel's grand plans was one or two theatrical movies a year but slowly grew their empire so that they're now in a place where every calendar year they will have THREE Theatrical Features (Guardians 2, Spider-man 6, Thor 3), THREE Netflix TV seasons (Iron Fist, The Punisher Reboot, The Defenders), an ongoing network show (Agents of Shield) & more. Every year. Marvel fans will never want for content again.

That's where Disney wants to have Star Wars within the next decade. Probably after they finish this new "Saga Trilogy" or Episodes VII-XI. I think by 2023 we'll be looking at two or three Star Wars movies a year. Some of those will have to feature Jedi.

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Luke will be the Last True Jedi. Kylo Ren will be redeemed & go on to train the New Jedi. Insert name for "Totally not Jedi force but it's absolutely the Jedi.

I'm also 100% positive Luke Skywalker will die in either this film or the next because A) it's an easy way to work in an Empire Strikes Back style downbeat ending & B) it's basically Star Wars tradition now for the mentor to die & & C) once Luke is gone Disney can continue Star Wars without ever having to really bother with the original cast ever again. All the other original cast members left from Star Wars are either super small supporting OR completely hidden behind a robot or alien mask. From what I've been told, behind closed doors Disney is more than ready to move past working with everyone involved in the original films when it comes to making new Star Wars product BUT they'll gladly keep working with them as a marketing tool. The classic cast & crew will keep showing up at Star Wars Con or whatever that yearly event last week was. Disney is especially ready after people collectively shrugged their shoulders when they tested zombie Peter Cushing in Rogue One. Grand Moff Tarkin's role in the film was apparently less story essential (they apparently had another route in place originally) & more as a test of CG Zombie casting. People's reaction was as usual a collective shrug & a fuck it attitude. Audiences could tell the guy was a computer effect but most people don't analyze movies & let things wash over them & as long as the zombie in question isn't in the now culturally they're okay with it. They backfired with CG Zombie Leia at the end of the film but wait a few years & Disney will bring back zombie Carrie Fisher if the story calls for a cameo. Disney doesn't want to be beholden to actors from the original films who can make pretty big contract demands. Mind you, they'll keep milking the classic George Lucas era of Star Wars for decades to come with Young Han Solo & Baby Boba Fett movies & much much more but they want to have complete control over talent & not risk anyone complicating deals. I've heard Alden Ehrenreich has basically signed a real Marvel style when he took on the role of Han Solo.

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Postby movieartman » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:15 pm

Won't happen but I really think the best option if they decide they want to do stuff with the original characters is do full cgi films like the various Star Wars video game cinematic trailers. Move away from the cartoon-ish stylized designs of clone wars/rebels.
Even if it's not canon, I would love to see adaptions of something like Dark Empire & such done like that. (Madhouse doing a anime adaption of them would be solid also although probably would not warrant a theatrical release)

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Postby El Squibbonator » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:24 pm

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:no longer be a Vader copy cat.


The thing is, being a Vader copycat is kind of inherent to who Kylo Ren is. He dresses up and acts like Darth Vader because he wants to live up to his grandfather's high standard.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:55 pm

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:The thing is, being a Vader copycat is kind of inherent to who Kylo Ren is. He dresses up and acts like Darth Vader because he wants to live up to his grandfather's high standard.


That is true but in my view it hurts the character because all he'll ever be is a copy cat if the writers give him more leg room to move and grow he could be way more interesting. I'm not saying he should ditch his look or his helmet, just make him something beyond a boy who has tantrums when he doesn't get his way make him really scary and show him killing someone just for kicks in front of others or gutting them with a light sabre. You feared Vader because you had no idea who he might kill when he entered the room and you knew someone might die for speaking out of turn with Kyo I just don't feel this yes he killed his dad but it felt more like an act of spite to me.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:26 pm

That helmet looks silly and the realization that it does nothing but change his voice for no reason undermines the character.

I mean, emulating Darth Vader is fine as a character trait and all but wearing a voice changer helmet to do so is Spaceballs shit.

I'll forgive it if he ditched it permanently in VII.

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Postby RadicalRandy » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:19 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:That helmet looks silly and the realization that it does nothing but change his voice for no reason undermines the character.

I mean, emulating Darth Vader is fine as a character trait and all but wearing a voice changer helmet to do so is Spaceballs shit.

I'll forgive it if he ditched it permanently in VII.


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I personally disliked VII for being a discount ANH/OT wrapped up into a worse movie. Kylo Ren's persona to mimic Darth Vader was just one of those things to contributed, especially with the addition of his helmet, etc.

I'm sure he's not going to be wearing in Ep. VIII to dig deeper into his character, which is easier without the mask in the way (literally and figuratively).
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Postby Sachi » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:43 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:That helmet looks silly and the realization that it does nothing but change his voice for no reason undermines the character.

I mean, emulating Darth Vader is fine as a character trait and all but wearing a voice changer helmet to do so is Spaceballs shit.

The mask, voice changer included, makes sense when you consider he's ashamed of his humanity and is doing his best to repress it. Another parallelism with Anakin: Ben Solo was weak, and so Kylo Ren destroyed him.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:13 pm

View Original PostRadicalRandy wrote:Here, you dropped this: I


I was actually referencing the way he wears it for the first 2/3 of FA and then takes it off and never puts it back on for the rest of the movie. ;)

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Postby movieartman » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:08 pm

Wow the Han Solo movie lost it's directors.

Although the young Han Solo Star Wars spinoff has been shooting since February, THR has just announced that directors Phil Lord and Christopher Miller have parted ways with the project.

President of Lucasfilm Kathleen Kennedy, released the following statement:

"Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are talented filmmakers who have assembled an incredible cast and crew, but it’s become clear that we had different creative visions on this film, and we’ve decided to part ways. A new director will be announced soon.”

Lord and Miller add:

“Unfortunately, our vision and process weren’t aligned with our partners on this project. We normally aren’t fans of the phrase ‘creative differences’ but for once this cliché is true. We are really proud of the amazing and world-class work of our cast and crew."

It's practically unheard of for a movie to lose its director this far into production, so this is a very surprising development indeed. Sources report that there are only a couple of weeks left on the shoot with re-shoots scheduled for later in the summer, so it's going to be very interesting to see how all of this unfolds.

Han Solo is expected to stick to its current release date of May 25, 2018.


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