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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:24 pm

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Well, Episode VIII is either due for a recasting or a complete rewrite.
Peter Cushing might disagree.
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Postby Sachi » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:31 pm

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Well, Episode VIII is either due for a recasting or a complete rewrite.

Ep VIII has already finished filming; it's Ep IX that would be an issue. They successfully brought Peter Cushing back from the dead in Rogue One, and so I can already hear the conversation about using a CG Carrie Fisher for Ep IX.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:41 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Peter Cushing's animators might disagree.


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Postby Yaywalter » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:10 pm

Peter Cushing nontroversy aside, I wouldn't have an issue with a CG Leia in IX. Wouldn't surprise me if they preemptively obtained Carrie's approval on the matter to prepare for this possible outcome.

Using a CG likeness of a deceased actor is, at worst, in modestly poor taste. But in this instance I think it would be justifiable for the sake of giving her character a proper conclusion. If they decide to run wild with her likeness in spin-off movies, prequels, etc... well that'd be pretty tacky.

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Postby Bagheera » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:23 pm

View Original PostYaywalter wrote:Peter Cushing nontroversy aside, I wouldn't have an issue with a CG Leia in IX. Wouldn't surprise me if they preemptively obtained Carrie's approval on the matter to prepare for this possible outcome.

Using a CG likeness of a deceased actor is, at worst, in modestly poor taste. But in this instance I think it would be justifiable for the sake of giving her character a proper conclusion. If they decide to run wild with her likeness in spin-off movies, prequels, etc... well that'd be pretty tacky.


They already have the rights to her likeness, and have for 39 years now. The CG bit is just using it in a new way.
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Postby Geometer » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:55 pm

I liked rogue one, at least the ending was good. Better than the prequels at least, those failed as movies first, except maybe episode 3, but that was pretty boring except for a few good moments. People just like getting mad at things I guess.

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Postby Chuckman » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:45 pm

I don't see any problem with using Carrie Fisher's likeness if she agreed to it, and I'm sure they wouldn't if she didn't.

I'd rather they write her out, though. It's be fairly easily done since Han is dead in the story. It's supposed to be a new trilogy about a new generation and all that.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:52 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:I don't see any problem with using Carrie Fisher's likeness if she agreed to it, and I'm sure they wouldn't if she didn't.

I'd rather they write her out, though. It's be fairly easily done since Han is dead in the story. It's supposed to be a new trilogy about a new generation and all that.


She needs to have a reckoning with Kylo Ren (not sure what Han has to do with it). If that happens in ep 8, fine, nothing else for her to do, really. If not, folks'll have to get creative.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:22 pm

Ah true, that's a good point. I'm not sure what they can do about that now since it'd be a pretty involved role.
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:40 am

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Well, Episode VIII is either due for a recasting or a complete rewrite.

RIP Carrie.


I guess it depends on how much Leia actually does in the film. If she gets killed off or confronts Kylo, at the very least she won't have much to do in IX.
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Postby Ray » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:36 am

Sigh. . . In light of Carries death is it appropriate for me to talk about Rogue One?
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It's easily the best Star Wars movie since Empire Strikes back. It easily has the best action scenes of the entire franchise, beating the originals and the prequels in terms of spectacle and scope. It's gritty, it's gruesome, it's a Star Wars movie that actually feels like A WAR FILM. You can tell the rebels are fighting a losing battle. It feels like an insurgency.
The CGI reconstructed cameos of old characters from the original movies, looks amazing.

I like how they actually acknowledged the prequels happened without it coming off as pandering or an apology to the audience like Force Awakens did. I like the way they incorporated a few of the actors from the Prequels into the movie (Mon Mothma and Bail Organa), how the Death Star is powered by the Jedi's Lightsaber crystals, how an imperial military base is built on the ruins of a Jedi Temple.

I saw it with my dad, who really enjoyed that the movie really had actual military tactics to it. Like the way those hammer-head spaceships pushed a Star Destroyer into another one. He says that was right out a world war 2 Submarine tactics book. Shows someone in the Star Wars writing room has really done their homework.

I like how it feels like an Homage to old 1970's and 80's scifi. How the death star plans are stored on tapes, and not hard drives. Everything is analog and hardedged and practical. Gone are the romantic medieval flourishes of the prequels, replaced by hard unfeeling metal.

That scene I mentioned as a deleted scene 'Vader Xenomorph Kill Scene' is still in this movie. Albeit now not with any of the characters and just some generic republic troops. But it's AWESOME. After most of the movie where not a single lightsaber is used, Vader pulling his out and going to town on the troops is TERRIFYING. I really hope they do a vader solo movie after this, because this gave us a taste of what Vader could be in a modern movie. Freed from the technological restraints of the past movies, and the hokey writing of the prequels. A solo Vader movie could be just what the character needs to salvage him as a terrifying prescence after the Prequels hurt the character in the eyes of fans.

But I do have some concerns.

With the exception of Jin. The majority of the characters come off as a bit one noteish, and don't really get much fleshing out. You've got the Han Solo character, the guntoting meathead character, the wise kung fu master who's almost (but not really) a Jedi, and the mascot creature character. One thing I will say is that it does come off as a team effort. Each of these characters gets their moment to shine and contribute to the effort. It never feels like one character is eclipsing the other.

Also, some of the imagery used may come off as a bit explotative if you're one of those easily offended people. Guys in Turbans fighting men in uniforms using tanks and bombs in a desert setting? My dad was FUMING at the start of the movie as he thought it was romanticizing Al-Qaeda style terror tactics, fortunately the movie won him over by the end.
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The musical score for this is in this awkward uncanny valley. Where it's on the verge of being it's own thing, but then it has to homage a musical theme from the original films instead of going in it's own direction.

Speaking of Uncanny valley. While it's even more poignant now that she's no longer with us. that last image of Leia came off as REALLY creepy.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:54 am

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Postby Sachi » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:14 am

The parallels between the Rebellion and guerilla warfare is definitely intentional, and is appropriate given some or the recent wars the US has been in. If it seems similar to Vietnam, Iraq, or Syria, it's because it is. Of course, the film does make a point that some rebels are more extreme than others, and that they don't always agree with each other's tactics.
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Postby Monk Ed » Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:39 pm

I saw Rogue One two days ago and it was fffrickin' awesome. I was pleased to see it be everything I'd heard on EGF ("a gritty war movie") and more. I certainly liked it better than The Force Awakens, and in several particular respects it did the same things better. (I thought Jyn was a lot better-executed than Rey, for example.)

I echo Sachi's sentiments regarding CGI Tarkin. I didn't even know the actor was dead, actually.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:17 pm

The desert freedom fighter imagery is part of the film's 80s throwback feel. Believe it or not there was a time when such characters were lionized and not stock villains.

Makes me wonder how a Dune film would go over now.
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Postby Glor » Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:33 pm

Had some pretty neat action, but the Stormtrooper slaughter was just obnoxious. Ship ramming scene was probably the best. The planet shield had me rolling my eyes though.

K2-SO was the best character. Bodhi was pretty good too, but I forgot his name and had to look it up just now. Space Zatoichi was cool. Would have been nice if he had an actual reason to be there instead of "We're just hanging around, Stormtroopers suck because muh temple."

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Postby cyharding » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:56 pm

Well, I was finally able to see Episode VII...by reading the script online (Troy McClure does have a point about scripts). The story is enjoyable, though I have a couple of questions about some plot points. It should be interesting where things go from this point.

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Postby SoryuUberAlles » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:52 pm

Interview reveals Rogue One was storyboarded by taking clips from hundreds of other films. Article mentions Aliens. Any others you noticed?
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Postby cyharding » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:02 am

I've never seen any episode past the series premiere, but here is the midseason trailer for Rebels. Seems to be a big deal for some reason.

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:13 am

View Original Postcyharding wrote:I've never seen any episode past the series premiere, but here is the midseason trailer for Rebels. Seems to be a big deal for some reason.


Mainly because it's a brilliant trailer. The use of "warning" is a big part of it, but "you're in the wrong place!" doesn't hurt.
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