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Postby flapjack » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:27 am

View Original PostMasterRah wrote:One thing I hate about live action animes is all of the whitewashing involved. Almost every character is white. Why not try something different?


Eva has the potential for racial swapping. It's post apocalyptic, so there's global identity and a sense of unity. I like your idea, but you'd have to keep Rei and Yui Japanese. Their backgrounds are grounded in Japan (with Rei being cloned from Yui). Shinji could be a mix between Japanese and ____ because Gendo is enigmatic, and could easily be any other race. As for the rest of the cast, there aren't any impassable constraints. Names can be changed, as we've seen with 2.0.

Note: when the Eva Live Action Movie anticipation was at it's highest, the names of some of the characters were released (i don't remember from who or where but i assure you it happened). They were all americanized, which caused a shitstorm that probably concerned some of the minds behind the movie. I think Rei was named "Rachel". Yuck.

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Postby Kendrix » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:08 pm

Er... why should you turn a Japanese character into any other ethnicity/nationality just for the sake of political correctness?

Asian actors have a hard time finding serious jobs anyway...
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Postby Stryker » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:51 pm

View Original Postflapjack wrote:I like your idea, but you'd have to keep Rei and Yui Japanese. Their backgrounds are grounded in Japan (with Rei being cloned from Yui).


Uh.. there is no information here backing the fact that Yui is purely Japanese, due to the fact that we do not know her parents, let alone their nationality. Yui might as well be part American for all we know. Rei can be any race we can make her to be.
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Postby Alastor » Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:54 am

View Original PostStryker wrote:Rei can be any race we can make her to be.

Rei's a Newtype Pony Time Lord? I goddamn knew it.

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Postby biodude711 » Wed May 04, 2011 5:01 am

This may have been said already, but oh well.

I would actually like to see a live-action evangelion movie that tells the story of what happened in the world from right before Second Impact to the beginning of the TV series from multiple character's points of view (i.e. documentary style).

Also partially eliminates fan preferences on who plays what character.

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Postby KnightmareX13 » Wed May 04, 2011 5:41 am

View Original Postbiodude711 wrote:This may have been said already, but oh well.

I would actually like to see a live-action evangelion movie that tells the story of what happened in the world from right before Second Impact to the beginning of the TV series from multiple character's points of view (i.e. documentary style).

Also partially eliminates fan preferences on who plays what character.

that would be a rather neat idea, and would most likely gain more of a fan support than redoing the TV series live action
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Postby flapjack » Wed May 04, 2011 6:38 am

View Original PostStryker wrote:Uh.. there is no information here backing the fact that Yui is purely Japanese, due to the fact that we do not know her parents, let alone their nationality. Yui might as well be part American for all we know. Rei can be any race we can make her to be.


Right, but there is circumstantial evidence staking her in Japan. We know she is the daughter of a prominent Seele member, and that she went to Kyoto university. What I infer from this is that she is the daughter of a Japanese Seele member, and that she was raised in Japan as a result. This is why Gendo comes to Japan, because he wants to become part of Gehirn, and does so through Yui.

Now, you could change the formula and have Yui's father be [X nationality], have her study at an [X country] University, and have Gendo come to [X Country], but, in doing so, Nerv becomes located in [X country] because Gendo wasn't out to just join any branch of Gehirn/Seele; He wanted to play the leading role, which would mean he would have to set himself up to take over the main base of operations.

Moving Yui to any other country moves everything else to another country. That's not a good idea, no matter which mass you're trying to pander to.

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Postby Someone » Wed May 04, 2011 7:02 am

Can't they just keep the character as they are.
What's wrong with Japanese nationality?
Seriously, Rei > Rachel? Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :fuyu_facepalm:
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Postby flapjack » Wed May 04, 2011 7:16 am

View Original PostSomeone wrote:Can't they just keep the character as they are.
What's wrong with Japanese nationality?
Seriously, Rei > Rachel? Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :fuyu_facepalm:


A certain movie made by a certain twisty director comes to mind...

It's all in the hands of whoever does the movie, if it is done. If Cowboy Beebop does well in theatres, Eva could be next on the list. And that means fundamental changes.

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Postby shinji_ryoji_89 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:00 pm

I've been bored this summer break so I decided to work on my script for Evangelion just for fun and out of boredom. I must say, it's been fun to write and it's the fastest I've written something in a while. I wrote about 30 pages in one day, but I've realized that being extremely faithful to the original show would not be the right approach, at least no if you've seen Evangelion before. And when I say extremely faithful, it's basically having the same storyline, same dialogues, same everything, only in a live acion setting. The greatest changes I've made so far in the script are opening with Second Impact and having a credits montage of historical events from Second Impact all the way to Shinji receiving a letter from Gendo. But other than that, thus far, it's pretty much the same as episodes one thru three and although it's been fun to write, I don't think I'd like to see the show again on the big screen for the heck of it. Especially after You are (not) alone, the show itself and if you want to count it, Death & Rebirth, seeing the same story cut and pasted on the screen would not make much sense to me.

I think the best approach and the one I'd like to try later is to basically use the same universe, themes, characters and turn it into something new. What Azatoth and Timstuff had said earlier on actually sounded very very reasonable to me into how to approach the film. And I would aim towards making the first film as satisfactory story-wise as possible without any real cliffhangers so in case it bombs, it works well as a standalone film.

I'd say the first movie would be more something like a pure action/adventure film, the second one, the same but with a more romantic and maybe darker and character-driven style to it and the last one (or two) would just be hell for the characters, completely dark, there'd still be action and romance, but it'd be the darkest hour for everyone.

But also, you could create something entirely new and have it be a homage to Eva or the like, sort of what Freakyfilmfan4ever said earlier. It'd probably just be a mecha film, but like he said, it has a chance of being the unusual smart, cool action film that Hollywood very rarely makes. Guillermo del Toro's Pacific Rim sounds exactly like what that could be.

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Postby Stryker » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:38 pm

View Original Postflapjack wrote:Right, but there is circumstantial evidence staking her in Japan. We know she is the daughter of a prominent Seele member, and that she went to Kyoto university.


Okay, lets put it this way: How many of those Seele people are Japanese? None except Gendo. Keel is from Germany, and the other are from France, Russia, US, and the UK, as said here. Now, chances are, there are few others that Yui can be daughter to, because as you said, she is the daughter of a prominent Seele member. If they were really that important, they would probably be in the HIP committee. And where you go to university doesn't even relate to your nationality. I can be from Serbia and go to a college in South Africa, if I wanted.

View Original Postflapjack wrote:What I infer from this is that she is the daughter of a Japanese Seele member,

Nothing suggests that.

View Original Postflapjack wrote:and that she was raised in Japan as a result.

I can be from Serbia and go to a college in South Africa, if I wanted.


View Original Postflapjack wrote:This is why Gendo comes to Japan, because he wants to become part of Gehirn, and does so through Yui.

And the only way he could get permission is through a prominent Seele member, which would probably be then a part of the HIP committee, which I have said:
Keel is from Germany, and the other are from France, Russia, US, and the UK, as said here.


View Original Postflapjack wrote:Now, you could change the formula and have Yui's father be [X nationality], have her study at an [X country] University, and have Gendo come to [X Country], but, in doing so, Nerv becomes located in [X country] because Gendo wasn't out to just join any branch of Gehirn/Seele; He wanted to play the leading role, which would mean he would have to set himself up to take over the main base of operations.

No it doesn't.

View Original Postflapjack wrote:Moving Yui to any other country moves everything else to another country. That's not a good idea, no matter which mass you're trying to pander to.

No it doesn't. That would suggest that the thing they are trying to protect would also move to another country, which is impossible.

Nothing of your proof as of yet still doesn't suggest that Yui can be born from anywhere.
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Postby Ornette » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:41 pm

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Postby Stryker » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:08 pm

It doesn't say anything about her race, or the Figure (of Seele's) race. She could still be anything.
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Postby gatotsu911 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:00 pm

Of all the fanboy complaints made against prospective Hollywood adaptations of anime, I find that of "whitewashing" to be the most baffling. I mean, hey, you know what really sucked about The Departed? The fact that none of the actors were Chinese!! Martin Scorcese totally fucked the source material, huh? Or how about The Good, The Bad and The Ugly? Everyone was white!! What a disaster!
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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:41 am

View Original Postgatotsu911 wrote:Of all the fanboy complaints made against prospective Hollywood adaptations of anime, I find that of "whitewashing" to be the most baffling.

The fact is that it's the 21st century, 'white' is only hanging onto its plurality status by a thread in the US (the target audience) and the global markets are ever more important. It's time for folks to grow up in Hollywood, the US, and to some extent I believe Europe and realize that we don't need to have white people starring in the movie in order for us to relate to or identify with them, or to be interested in seeing the movie. It's simply disgusting to continue to see 'whiteness' held up as some gold standard by these people and to an extent the public that still reinforces those practices.

So that's at least part of where the outrage comes from; and it's only going to keep growing as the demographics continue to change and people reassert their sense of taste and decency in the tired wane of the anti-PC epidemic. Does it need to be dogmatic? No. Is there a huge gray area? Sure. But hopefully an explanation like this can make it less 'baffling' to you.
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Postby McDirty » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:01 pm

Hollywood doesn't care about growing up. It only cares about one thing, the money. If there were ever to be an Evangelion live-action movie made by Hollywood, it WILL be made horrible. Why? Because Hollywood doesn't have the balls to invest and take a chance with an idea such as Evangelion. If it were to be green-lit, it would be made in the cheapest way possible. Which is, hire a bad director, hire cheap white actors, write an un-imaginative script, and use gimmicks/cliches all in order to make a quick buck. The industry views anime and video game lovers as "fast-food". They don't care about the fans' approval. They only want their money. Evangelion Live-action made under Hollywood would be the next Dragonball:Evolution.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:18 pm

View Original PostMcDirty wrote:Hollywood doesn't care about growing up. It only cares about one thing, the money. If there were ever to be an Evangelion live-action movie made by Hollywood, it WILL be made horrible. Why? Because Hollywood doesn't have the balls to invest and take a chance with an idea such as Evangelion.

Hollywood doesn't even seem to have the balls to invest in an idea such as the live-action AKIRA.
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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:00 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Hollywood doesn't even seem to have the balls to invest in an idea such as the live-action AKIRA.

It's all about the name with these people.

"Hey, people seem to know what Akira is. Let's make that."

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Postby McDirty » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:38 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Hollywood doesn't even seem to have the balls to invest in an idea such as the live-action AKIRA.

Perhaps I should rephrase it, Hollywood doesn't have the balls to invest in what Evangelion should be.

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Postby Tarnsman » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:17 am

Stuff that I care about
- Keeping the feel and themes of the original
- Not simply making a movie that has barely anything in common with the source material and slapping the name on it
- Decent writing and acting
- Actually feels like it's artistically contributing something, or is entertaining to watch/doesn't feel like a cash in.
- Production cast actually cares about the original.

Stuff that I literally could not care less about
- The nationality of the actors

Hollywood needs to focus on making a film that isn't complete garbage first and foremost, then I can start caring about the characters being the wrong nationality. Furthermore, they're not the only place that "whitewashes", everyone changes nationalities to reflect their demographic's audience. Find me a Japanese person bitching about how Baccano! used Japanese voice actors, instead of American ones with Japanese subtitles, and I'll start caring about "whitewashing"

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