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Postby kaji kun » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:12 pm

Holy crap it's been years guys! I hope everyone's well!!!! Like at least 6-7.

I am now press and was actually there for the screening. ugh I still don't like this guy's subtitles (he did the home video version of 3.33, they showed his subtitles for 1.11 and 2.22 [different than home releases, some less accurate some more], and he's the guy who did the translation for Netflix Eva subs). I have all 3 on Blu-Ray, but, there's something about seeing it on the big screen in surround sound that is so enticing that I had to do it. I also broke the news after asking AX on twitter of when the screening would take place for these 10 minutes, and they responded.

If there's anything anyone wants to know (I know there's a leaked version out there but there's something about watching it there that was pretty incredible), I'll answer anything.

I understand some Japanese, but not all, and I can't speak it anymore. Starting lessons soon to get it back. The beginning is so WTF though. I think there's something special about Nerv, probably connected to the Evas, and that's why it's able to be restored. Also this pretty much confirms, in my mind, that Mari is in fact the person in the photo with Yui and young Shinji (I don't know how, probably something to do with LCL), and is probably Gendo's senpai. Also, she's quite narcissistic. It's funny she's with Willie because honestly she doesn't give a fuck, she just wants to pilot Eva and has some other agenda we don't know about. I think at first she was just going to be fan service but Anno started taking the rebuild seriously and now she has a much larger role to play. Maybe she's related to Shinji through his mother?

Also, now when Mari tells soulless Rei that her "original" was much easier to get along with, it hit me that she's probably talking about Yui, not the pervious Rei.

Just some thoughts, I really liked it but this film needs to be a full two hours like 2.22 IMO in order to wrap things up. an hour and a half just won't do it. Also unfortunately I think Kaji is just gone. Don't think he'll appear in the next film. They have too many other things to cover. He was probably originally going to die in 3.0 but since Anno decided to do a time skip instead, that glimpse of him in the trailer may in fact be cannon and that's where he died. 4.0 may have been scrapped as well and now we're going to get something completely different. Anno wrote himself into a corner IMO.

It's nice to be back guys!

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Postby kaji kun » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:40 pm

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1
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,000
Paris Assault fleet ready.
Descending at Point 0 of the old city.

2
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000
To all ships, assume a defensive position. Move backward slowly.
Control of gravity, autonomous behaviour
and guidance system: all clear.

3
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000
Paris's sky is clear all around.
Surface Core state is of category 6.

4
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000
Checking the ship's coordinates.
She's arrived at the operation's starting point.

5
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000
Roger. To all ships, switch to alert mode.

6
00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,000
To all ships, switch tactical formation to alert mode positioning.
Eva-08 and DSRV descending to the target.

7
00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
Landing pads' anchors: normal.

8
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000
The DSRV has locked into position.

9
00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:21,000
The DSRV has landed.
Analysing the atmospheric composition.
Oxygen density reads at -3. CO² is tolerable.
We can land here.

10
00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
Roger. Let's start the mission.

11
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000
It's been 16 years since I last came here.
Look at what's become of the famous City of Light...
It makes my heart ache.

12
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:55,000
The L Field density is quite high.
For that Euro Nerv Sealing Pillar Nb.1
the restauration can't take any more than 720 seconds.

13
00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000
Why's that? It's 180 seconds less than planned!
Is it even long enough to come pick us up?

14
00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000
Seriously I wish the pilots were the only ones who wore these ridiculous suits.

15
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000
Shut it and get to work!

16
00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000
Do you think we'll be able to activate the Anti L system?

17
00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000
A recovery should be possible in stage 4.

18
00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,000
We should thank our predecessors for that.

19
00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:23,000
We will uphold your wish to save the city.

20
00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:26,000
Good, let's get to work.

21
00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000
I knew it, here they are!

22
00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000
Eva 44A, customized aerial type! Closing in at 4 o'clock!

23
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000
Wonderful frontline formation.
They move as a swarm by themselves.
They're like a new creature now.

24
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000
Please stop them Mari. Give us 560 more seconds.

24
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:54,000
Yessir! I'll be honored to take care of all these 44A!
Let's go my little Nagara. My flight is in your hands!
Now let's see...

25
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,000
Direction, turning, tilting... Interesting but...

26
00:07:05,00 --> 00:07:13,000
This setup is really odd.
If only they had at least kept human pivot points.

27
00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000
Unit-08, engagement of first wave of 44As in progress.

28
00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,000
Second wave detected.
As planned, all 44As are attracted to Unit-08.

29
00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000
420 seconds remaining for the operation.

30
00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000
This is so slow boss.
It's like working on a 8 bits PC.

31
00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,000
This system is as cryptic as an Eva's.
It's not easy to control these using human language.

32
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000
Stage 4 clear. We're quite late.

33
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,000
Stay calm and hurry.

34
00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000
Yes 'mam.

35
00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,000
Careful to maintain speed. Add 20 to guiding.
Keep current tilt angle.

36
00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000
Full steam ahead!

37
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000
You're not getting away!

38
00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000
Whoops.

39
00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:28,000
The 4th wave is coming!

40
00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,000
Alone against an army. As they say,
As they say, Many a small bird drive away a hawk.

41
00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,000
360 seconds remaining.

42
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,000
I can't get past stage 5.

43
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000
You're hopeless, just keep trying.

44
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,000
Impossible!
We don't have enough time to replace the data.

45
00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,000
Nothing is impossible!
Add more bypass!

46
00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000
But boss, we just don't have enough time!

47
00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:56,000
Stop whining.
That's why I hate young guys.

48
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000
Assholes!

50
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,000
What a bunch of loosers! Come on, bring it!

51
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000
That one was really easy!

51
00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,000
Ho ho... Aren't these fake angels
and decoys? So troublesome!

52
00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Be careful! Their leader's here!

53
00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,000
A military use of the Evas,
forbidden by the Vatican Treaty.

54
00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:12,000
Together they make quite a threat.
A ground fighting-type 4444C armed with a positron
cannon and 44Bs modified as an energy source.


55
00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:16,000
Vice Commander Fuyutsuki
must be testing us.

56
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000
The 44B's high energy
levels are rising!

57
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,000
To all ships, take defensive measures.
Brace yourself for the impact and the EM blast.

58
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000
The 4444C is now in shooting position.

59
00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:48,000
The 44Bs are generating massive power output.
It's being fed to the ultra-high voltage system!

60
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000
4444C's entire feed systems
are now active.

61
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000
Positron's acceleration in final phase!
The breech is locked!

62
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000
Shot incoming!

63
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000
We won by a hair breath!

64
00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:41,000
We're done if that thing shoots again!

65
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000
44Bs are generating high power levels again.

66
00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000
The energy is being stored
in the high power feed system.

67
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000
Already?! 4444C has started its engine.
It is ready to fire!

68
00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000
We're so done for!

69
00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000
Second shot incoming!
This is really, really bad!

70
00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000
I need help little Nagara!

71
00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:10,500
Roger.

72
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000
Like it's gonna stop me!
 
73
00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,000
<i>Excuse-moi Eiffel.</i>

74
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,000
4444C has completly gone silent.
Operating time remaining: 30 seconds.

75
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,000
- We're using C to analyze the algorythm.
- The final lock has been deactivated!
- Anti-L system, stage 5 completed!


76
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
It's started Vice Commander!

77
00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:21,000
Area of the old city of Paris is being restored.
Euro-Nerv's installation system is rebooting.
Systems are online.

78
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,000
Good work Maya. it was a close shave.

79
00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000
Mission complete.
Misato, come pick up the package.


80
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000
Roger.
Hovering down to the supply point.


81
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:11,000
All of you, prepare for resupply.
Priority for spare parts and Eva ammunitions.

82
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000
Lâchez les navires soutien logistique.
Faut les pièces pout refair l'Unité 02!
Drop the logistic support ships.
We need the parts to rebuild Unit-02

83
00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,000
The results has been worth the effort.

84
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:24,000
Now the eaten Unit-O2 can be rebuild anew,
and we can modify Unit-08 to make it
compatible with superposition.

85
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000
Wherever you are,
I'll come fetch you.


86
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,500
Just you wait, Puppy Boy.


Hope it's useful in anyway. Feel free to use this however you wish. This is my translation for the whole thing, the only part I'm totally unsure of is about the canabilization stuff. The rest is on point, even the Core surface thing (the hell it means I don't know, I guess they mean it works as a Core? I don't know, stop being so cryptic Anno).

As for "superposition" or whatever: I think Mari wants to use Unit 8 by merging it with something, maybe 01 or 02. She clearly has a plan. Thing is, once again, there is NO correct translation as long as we don't know the entire story. The words she uses are VERY enigmatic. They could mean anything.

EDIT: The ships at the beginning are positioning themselves to to be ready for an attack. This is what we call "alert mode". I found the translation very fitting, I was going for Vigilant mode.


in the subbed version I saw at AX they had Mari saying "I'll always come to pick up my puppy" or something along those lines. Maybe along the lines of "I'll always come to pick you up, just wait my puppy." I THINK that was it. I can't be positive. Re: the 44As or whatever they are called, Ritsuko says something to the effect of "they've [almost?] seem to have built a new society all on their own", and there are some other things I do remember, but I was so caught up in simply seeing it. The subs, again, felt off, from what Japanese I know.

Did they just totally screw that up? I do not believe I'm misremembering things. Also, attending as press, I was not going to risk recording (I could have done it easily), because if caught I would not have been able to come back to AX again and would probably be banned.
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Postby Settie » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:00 pm

So after watching this preview the best word i could say to surmise my feelings about it is, underwhelming. There really wasn't anything that made me hype for it, and in some aspects it was kinda the opposite. For the first time i found myself thinking an actions sequence was, for the lack of a better word, "dumb". Like why did the flying drones suddenly went full retard and charge at Unit-8 to become a giant neat ball to be easily dispatched? Maybe it was lost in the technobabble but that sequence made go "the fuck am i watching" and not in a good way. Still the animation was gorgeous so there's that, and i kinda like Mari's general irreverence to the battle. Hopefully, at least as far as Mari is concerned, for now the whole mentally 28 years olds in 14 old bodies is put to rest.

Now for the nitpicking. Why was Paris built like Tokyo-3? In Tokyos case it made sense since it was built atop the geofront. Paris on the other hand isn't, so why the rising buildings? Only Tokyo-3 was expecting attacks so it made sense for the city to be built around that threat, Paris though, that makes no sense beyond the rule of cool. These are not some small building that were being hidden, but ones large enough to accommodate 2/3 eva sized objects. Were they built pre-N3i or post Willie/Nerv split? If before what for and if after, when exactly? It raises a lot of questions and implications for a scene that may just be there to look cool and not much else.

The whole corefication of the world, the way it seems to function reminded me a lot of the creep or the blight (from starcraft and warcraft 3 respectively) in that it's not something permanent but more of a terraforming event that can be done both ways and is done to specifically aid a life form that can't function as well in a "normal" environment but functions better in its own ( in the games i mentioned, it's an alien life for the creep from Starcraft and it's undead for Warcraft 3) . So is corefication the right environment for something? That is something I'd like to see.

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Postby kaji kun » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:10 pm

View Original PostSettie wrote:So after watching this preview the best word i could say to surmise my feelings about it is, underwhelming. There really wasn't anything that made me hype for it, and in some aspects it was kinda the opposite. For the first time i found myself thinking an actions sequence was, for the lack of a better word, "dumb". Like why did the flying drones suddenly went full retard and charge at Unit-8 to become a giant neat ball to be easily dispatched? Maybe it was lost in the technobabble but that sequence made go "the fuck am i watching" and not in a good way. Still the animation was gorgeous so there's that, and i kinda like Mari's general irreverence to the battle. Hopefully, at least as far as Mari is concerned, for now the whole mentally 28 years olds in 14 old bodies is put to rest.

Now for the nitpicking. Why was Paris built like Tokyo-3? In Tokyos case it made sense since it was built atop the geofront. Paris on the other hand isn't, so why the rising buildings? Only Tokyo-3 was expecting attacks so it made sense for the city to be built around that threat, Paris though, that makes no sense beyond the rule of cool. These are not some small building that were being hidden, but ones large enough to accommodate 2/3 eva sized objects. Were they built pre-N3i or post Willie/Nerv split? If before what for and if after, when exactly? It raises a lot of questions and implications for a scene that may just be there to look cool and not much else.

The whole corefication of the world, the way it seems to function reminded me a lot of the creep or the blight (from starcraft and warcraft 3 respectively) in that it's not something permanent but more of a terraforming event that can be done both ways and is done to specifically aid a life form that can't function as well in a "normal" environment but functions better in its own ( in the games i mentioned, it's an alien life for the creep from Starcraft and it's undead for Warcraft 3) . So is corefication the right environment for something? That is something I'd like to see.


I honestly have to say, seeing it in person is a completely different experience than watching a cam rip. I enjoyed it. I knew it would open with an action set piece like 1, 2, and 3, and it would probably be Mari since everything with Shinji and Asuka is too much into spoiler territory.

I'm more interested in Mari and her connection to Shinji, Gendo, and Yui. 2 implied she never synchronized with an Eva before, but then she knows so much about them, etc, and I think we'll find out who tf she is in the final film.

In the subs we got, which admittedly I think missed the point at several junctures, said that Mari would "always come and pick" Shinji up. I remember this vividly as I was so wtf wtf wtf. so there's been something lost with the english translation and the french, then the original Japanese, although there are different people handling the subs. The guy who did Netflix Eva and 3.33 is doing 3.0+1.0, and it shows. 

View Original PostReichu wrote:So the screening in L.A. included the Danslation. Any word from the dark corners of the Internet on whether anyone was able to snag it? Cause what a shame otherwise... ;_;


What am I supposed to be looking at here? What loop stuff? Anyway, looks like the usual publicity stunt fluff to me, but your mileage may vary...


This isn't a Pixar movie :tongue:. They're just called "Wille". It's a German word like Nerv, Seele, or Gehirn.


I THINK I saw someone record it in the second row (I was probably 8th or something, I had first dibs but I wanted to sit just behind the side speakers so they wouldn't hit me from behind), but nothing so far. dude had his phone out at the very end turned sideways with the camera showing, so, it's possible.

We didn't have any guests or messages. Just the screening(s) of 1-3 and first 10 minutes of 4. Kinda lame. The first three were easy to get into, but the 3rd was packed. I'm press and ADA, so I was in the priority line. funny thing is that there was literally no one checking for cameras, it would have been so easy to record. my phone was dying though and I didn't want to risk it professionally. but yep Dan translations for all the films (new translations for 1 and 2), and again it showed. I lost my Japanese almost entirely. I'll watch it in HQ though to see what I can pick up.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:51 pm

View Original PostSettie wrote:Now for the nitpicking. Why was Paris built like Tokyo-3? In Tokyos case it made sense since it was built atop the geofront. Paris on the other hand isn't, so why the rising buildings? Only Tokyo-3 was expecting attacks so it made sense for the city to be built around that threat, Paris though, that makes no sense beyond the rule of cool. These are not some small building that were being hidden, but ones large enough to accommodate 2/3 eva sized objects. Were they built pre-N3i or post Willie/Nerv split? If before what for and if after, when exactly? It raises a lot of questions and implications for a scene that may just be there to look cool and not much else.

It's built like that because it's a NERV installation or a storage depot. The one in Nevada where Unit 03 was housed is built like that too. Headquarters is above ground but their Eva facilities appear to be subterranean as Unit 03 is shown being lifted out of an underground hangar. Eva equipment is way too dangerous and expensive to leave laying around on the surface.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:53 pm

View Original PostKaji kun wrote:I'm more interested in Mari and her connection to Shinji, Gendo, and Yui. 2 implied she never synchronized with an Eva before, but then she knows so much about them, etc, and I think we'll find out who tf she is in the final film.

I write about Mari's past and connection to the Ikaris over here if you're interested. Though keep in mind that the post is one part of a much bigger analysis (which is the whole thread).

Dan translations for all the films (new translations for 1 and 2)

I imagine those were just the ones he did for the film festival circuit, updated with 1.11 and 2.22 scenes at most if they hadn't already been years ago. Kanemitsu's been with khara since they started.

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Postby kaji kun » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:15 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:I write about Mari's past and connection to the Ikaris over here if you're interested. Though keep in mind that the post is one part of a much bigger analysis (which is the whole thread).


I imagine those were just the ones he did for the film festival circuit, updated with 1.11 and 2.22 scenes at most if they hadn't already been years ago. Kanemitsu's been with khara since they started.


I'll definitely check that out. I remember talking to you years ago but I haven't posted in 10 years lol.

They probably are, I didn't know he ever put out translations for 1 and 2...they really differed from the home video releases. And in places flat-out wrong. I can at least understand when what's said in Japanese isn't what's in the subtitles (although sometimes I can't with something overly complex.)

Again I'm curious about the translation...I swear it's what they used..."I'll always pick you up" (something to that effect, but emphasis on that she will always) and then "my puppy". It really caught my attention. it felt somewhat like familial love tbh the way she says it, but in that typical whimsical Mari way, but, who knows honestly. Also watching some other subs, even fansubs and translations of the french, Dan translated Ritsuko saying that the "artificial angels" (that term wasn't used right here, I think, I don't remember) have almost formed a brand new civilization or a civilization of their own. I've seen colony, etc., terms used by others, but not civilization.

Some things I didn't fully retain because it was technical babble. A lot of that just went over my head, but there was something that they had to reach phase (errr phase? whatever) five in order to restore Paris and they were stuck on phase 4. then once they hit it "it's impossible to get past phase 4 blah blah then maya, stfu this is why i hate young men.) My memory is near-perfect autobiographically, and 99% of the time once I retain something once I remember it in perfect detail, but I only retained bits because I was pretty enthralled, not gonna lie, and there was so much technical talk, I was essentially wtf for most of it.

EDIT: Thinking about it (actually going back in my mind and re-living it), I am pretty sure Mari, at least in the subs, says "No matter where you are, I'll always come and find you. Just you wait, my puppy." I'm 99% sure. At least something to that extent with the same terminology maybe missing or adding a word or two, but the sentiment is the same: Mari will always come for Shinji wherever he is. And then given her connection to Yui and Gendo, even just this small bit gives me hope that we'll finally explore just who Mari is.

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Postby Shamsiel-kun » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:04 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:2/ The exact line in French is "La fin couronne le travail", which means "The end crowns the work", it's not a phrase used in France, but after a quick research, it seems to be a translation of the latin phrase “Finis Coronat Opus”, traditionally attributed to the Roman poet Ovid (the latin phrase is in the Coat of Arms of Seychelles).


Heh, my mom (who is French) uses it quite often. Then, of course, she hasn't lived for a prolonged period in France since the 1970s, so it may be that it's not modern French, but was once commonly used, or is limited to a specific region or social circle.
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Postby Joseki » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:35 am

View Original Postpenguintruth wrote:Just great, like in the previous movie, they're trying to dazzle us with shiny visuals and befuddle us with technobabble right out of the gate to distract from the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to care about what's going on or who it's going on with, especially with Mari, who we still know nothing about. Studio Khara is determined to kill Evangelion as slowly and painfully as possible.


Are you the penguin from ANN that constantly post about how offended you are about Mari and 3.0?

View Original PostLiterary Eagle wrote:Wait, what part was that? I heard Ogata say "ketsumatsu" which means ending, not girl. And the French interpreter translated that as "fin", which also means ending.


I don't speak neither french nor Japanese, it was my gf (who's not even into Eva) that was translating stuff for me. It's possible I/her misheard, so I was asking confirmations. However the crowd did gaps udibly so it was something relatively major.

View Original PostGoatJesus wrote:I didn't complain the first 10 minutes aren't the whole movie. I was saying that it was disappointing that they opened on another contextless action set piece rather than opening with more character driven stuff -- especially given it was the first 10 minutes of the film. It didn't subvert expectations in any way since it was exactly how both 2.0 and 3.0 opened and that doesn't bode well for the tone of the rest of the film IMO.

So apologies if I wasn't ecstatic it had nothing to do with the characters I actually care about (Shinji/Rei/Asuka) and defied expectations in no way.

I also said it looked nice. It was a fine action set piece. Just not why I enjoy Evangelion.


Why contextless? There's plenty of worldbuiling in this 10 minutes and important explainations are provided about 3.0.


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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:34 am

^ Yeah, it's typical for many an internet reviewer to be (perhaps rightfully) unimpressed with a teaser or an introductory scene and (perhaps wrongfully) write it off as unimportant. It's not a contextless scene if the scene itself is also setting up some sort of context. One's dislike of the context doesn't mean that it isn't there. We're seeing an opening where characters are clearly seen to have some sort of control over their surroundings and people responding "Eh, that can't be too important. Character agency in the face of apocalyptic climate change? Who cares?" I can't wait for Shin Eva to come out and certain Internet personalities claim that all of Shin Eva could have gone without the opening 10 minutes that proved that others can successfully see Shinji's dream of FUCKING LITERALLY REDOING portions of the world, even if perhaps for a brief period of time. "Yeah," they'll say, "I really don't see how an opening sequence of characters redoing parts of the world has anything to do with the previous film, 'You Can (Not) Redo.'" Just like EoE before it, the audience reactions will be just what was expected from the Master Hideaki Anno. I'm almost anticipating that more than the movie itself!

This opening scene in Shin Eva sets up exactly how devastated Shinji will be when he realizes that he was actively working against his own goals. And if Shinji being devastated isn't what people are looking for and expecting from an Evangelion movie, then why are they still here? They should go watch Aldnoah Zero or some trash like that.

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Postby Microsoft_Sam » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:40 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ Yeah, it's typical for many an internet reviewer to be (perhaps rightfully) unimpressed with a teaser or an introductory scene and (perhaps wrongfully) write it off as unimportant. It's not a contextless scene if the scene itself is also setting up some sort of context. One's dislike of the context doesn't mean that it isn't there. We're seeing an opening where characters are clearly seen to have some sort of control over their surroundings and people responding "Eh, that can't be too important. Character agency in the face of apocalyptic climate change? Who cares?" I can't wait for Shin Eva to come out and certain Internet personalities claim that all of Shin Eva could have gone without the opening 10 minutes that proved that others can successfully see Shinji's dream of FUCKING LITERALLY REDOING portions of the world, even if perhaps for a brief period of time. "Yeah," they'll say, "I really don't see how an opening sequence of characters redoing parts of the world has anything to do with the previous film, 'You Can (Not) Redo.'" Just like EoE before it, the audience reactions will be just what was expected from the Master Hideaki Anno. I'm almost anticipating that more than the movie itself!

This opening scene in Shin Eva sets up exactly how devastated Shinji will be when he realizes that he was actively working against his own goals. And if Shinji being devastated isn't what people are looking for and expecting from an Evangelion movie, then why are they still here? They should go watch Aldnoah Zero or some trash like that.


Funny you say that; the guy that was unimpressed was missing Khara's proverbial boots just 2 weeks ago for ditching the original English cast. (Just an observation.)

As for Shinji, if he learns of what Wille managed to do even if it's temporary, that might just push him over the edge. Ether he'll become completely unresponsive and refuse to do anything and potentially try to off himself, or he'll go full Villain protagonist mode. Actively try to prevent Wille from saving the planet and kill anyone who gets in his way. Maybe even initiates final impact to bring justice to those he believed wronged him. The villain protagonist route I believe is extremely unlikely to happen.

One bloke I'm glad isn't here anymore is Stillborn. Jesus I can only imagine what he'd be saying after this, he'll be having a field day regardless.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:49 am

^It sticks another knife into Kaworu's credibility too. Those pillars are all over the place in 2.0 at Nerv/Seele facilities and are most likely Seele technology. There's little chance he doesn't know about them or what they do. Good thing Nerv got to Shinji so fast and he didn't see this or the more Eva-shaped Mark.04s or Kaworu would have had a much harder time gaslighting him. He was right that there was nothing Shinji could have done to help with that operation, I guess.

But what do you know, Wille found the parts for a humanoid mecha that isn't an Eva. If they don't scrap it for parts, I bet they'll need someone to pilot it. Maybe they'll find someone with piloting skills who's looking for redemption and a chance to help. :emogendo:

I think Reichu's right about Mari and her relationship to the others. Everything's going to tie back to the events at the Artificial Evolution Lab circa 2004. The events Shinji was made to forget. That's where all the pieces will come together and we'll see what's really happening. The woman in the photo does look like Asuka to me but her being Asuka's mom doesn't make sense taken with Anno's notes on Asuka's doll and her growing up in the lab alone.

Mari's mother would be in the same age group as Gendo and Yui and it's entirely possible Mari picked up her love of oldies and outdated slang from her. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a 'forgotten childhood friend' on her and Shinji and there was some kind of incident surrounding Unit 01's creation that pitted her against Gendo, Nerv and Seele.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:09 am

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Those pillars are all over the place in 2.0 at Nerv/Seele facilities and are most likely Seele technology.

It gets worse. Though it's not very obvious in the final movie (o, wonders of Groundwork...), there are actually sealing pillars completely lining that giant iris that Nerv HQ is rising out of. Those little black vertical things at the tops of the triangles. Yep. That's what's keeping the coreification from spreading further in. (Which... really raises some serious questions about where exactly the effect is coming from, how it actually started, and how it's persisting...)

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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:14 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:t's timed to this, so if you're using something else, time to grab a subtitling program and shift those babies around.
If you're using the Shinjuku showing as in

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Super brightened recording from a Japanese showing - no subtitles - that I found Youtube where you can see everything. I love the Evangelions with Angel faces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7afsQnQfw&t=235

then the delta you need is -12m03s.
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Postby Shamsiel-kun » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:19 am

So, to be honest, I don't get the complaints about the French subs being weird. They are slightly formal, but not wrong by themselves. Now my French is mostly based on 1980s/1990s French, and I am fairly out of touch with current popular speech. Sure, I know about Verlan etc., can usually deduct what is being meant, but I don't speak that French. So perhaps it is only strange to someone living in France now.

Mari's accent when speaking French is a bit strange though. I really had to strain myself to listen to it and hear it instead of doing my usual auto-recognition of the French language :D

Most of the technobabble is IMHO quite logical if you look at the reactivation procedure as if they were hacking a computer instead of a military operation. It actually gets lampshaded early on with the line about 8 bit computers :nyao: .
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:29 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:It gets worse. Though it's not very obvious in the final movie (o, wonders of Groundwork...), there are actually sealing pillars completely lining that giant iris that Nerv HQ is rising out of. Those little black vertical things at the tops of the triangles. Yep. That's what's keeping the coreification from spreading further in. (Which... really raises some serious questions about where exactly the effect is coming from, how it actually started, and how it's persisting...)

Holy shit, those are sealing pillars? :bigeyes: Karl, you bastard. I guess it makes sense though. There's not much core erosion inside the Black Moon or HQ until Unit 13 ascends. Is Unit 01's cage coreified or is it just rusted out from exposure? I recall it being red.

It may have continued spreading from Antarctica during or after Third Impact. That's the earliest known instance of core erosion. It clearly has no trouble traversing the ocean since it covers the entire planet and there is something down there that not only eroded the entire continent but has kept the Gates open for 15 years.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:39 am

Now i actually wonder, what exactly happened to the giant rainbow portal over Antarctica that we saw in 2.0, is it even still there?
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Postby Joseki » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:58 am

As I wrote before, and as some members of the Discord know, I was at the event in Paris. I'll try to be short and skip the unimportant bits.

The morning we (I was lucky enough to be with my girlfriend, who translated everything for me as I am completely ignorant of french) woke up pretty early to avoid the huge lines at Japan Expo. The plan worked and we were in by 9:15 when it was still relatively empty.

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The first thing we did in the venue was going straight to the stage of the event, as I wanted to know when to get in line to get a good seat. The staff member was very kind and he suggested us to get in before the previous event started (so around 12:15) and wait inside.
With 3 hours to pass we explored a bit the venue and bought some geeky stuff, and I also managed to play the Link's Awakening demo at the Nintendo booth (I would have liked to play Pokémon was the line was almost 2 hours long).

Wandering around we stumbled upon the Evangelion 2020 stand. The new poster was the focus of the booth, and I have to say it looked really nice, the colors are great. I did the all knowing men and I smugly told my girlfriend (who was patient enough to be with me all this time while I nonstop talked about Eva) and told her it was the Tokyo Tower. Needless to say, 3 hours later I was proved to be an idiot lol.

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Around 11:50 we headed towards Yuzu Stage, and at 12:10 we were inside seated on the last row on the left. Not a really good spot but I was confident we could sneak up and take a good seat once the current event (I had no idea of what it was) was finished. As soon as the ladies on stage finished some people in the middle of the seating area get off, and I managed to occupy 2 seats. At 12:20 we were ready.

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(lol yeah)

Internet was pretty shitty inside, especially upload, so we had to watch what they were showing us to pass the time (only at the end of the showing I discovered it was the world premiere of the first episode of The Vinland Saga). The hype levels were very high so time started to bend and the wait was over pretty fast. Around 13:00 the screen changed to this, people immediately started taking pictures like crazy.

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At 13:15 the show started and a random mascott got escorted to a reserved seat in the first row near khara staff. My mind immediately believed Hideaki Anno was inside there for some reason. Turned out to be a lot less hype than that as the mascott simply stayed there and did nothing, but I'm still convinced someone important was inside that costume.

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I didn't take any picture or video of the actual event as I believe in "living the moment".

Yoko rocked her set, ACAT was of course the highlight, but overall every piece was good to listen. Midperformance gf started hating on her dancer for some reason I now don't remember, but it was funny.
Ogata then arrived on stage with a translator that looked to me to be straight out of WWE, and they started talking. Ogata spoke Japanese, the translator in french, my girlfriend translated from french to italian for me. Extremely sub optimal set up, but we got the general sense of what they said (not the part about ending/girls tho...).
For the AVANT 1 I didn't want the translation as I wanted to focus all my brainpower on my eyes to let all of Anno's work flow into my veins. And flow into my veins it did.

Visually it looked epic. For the first I think they really managed to give a scale of just how massive Evas really are. On the big screen the 2 cuts with Ritsuko and Unit 08 flying over her were insane, and the music too kicked some serious asses. I won't go further into details about the plot and such (there's plenty of time to do so later) but as far as teathrical experiences go it delivered more than I expected, and I didn't mind at all it was "just" Mari going nuts with her new control system.

When the 10 minutes ended (way too soon for me), we got out and I was almost in shock. 3.0+1.0 was a real thing I just saw, I felt pure happiness, like I got back to 6 years old when I unpacked my first Pokémon game under the Christmas tree.

I wish everyone could have experienced that, it was great.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:28 pm

View Original PostArcadia's legacy wrote:Now i actually wonder, what exactly happened to the giant rainbow portal over Antarctica that we saw in 2.0, is it even still there?

Unknown. We haven't seen a full view of the Earth since 2.0. Operation US was pretty close to the planet.

Based on the information we currently have, I see four possible sources for the planet-wide erosion:

1. Third Impact
2. Somehow continued spreading from Antarctica
3. Unit 04's micro-Impact wasn't contained and spread
4. Unit 01 post N3I.

Unit 01 is the least plausible, I think. There was no contamination visible after it became a radiant giant and Seele was quick to contain it. The inside of the Tesseract is filled with core and Unit 02's arm is converted after the igniter makes contact, so it has the ability but it also seems to be fairly easy to control. Wille was able to examine it inside and out and someone was able to get it into space in the first place.

Third Impact is the most likely culprit, imo. Headquarters and the Black Moon were either unaffected or already recovered.
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