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Postby KRandMJ » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:03 pm

did eva 3.33 get delayed?
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Postby CommanderFish » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:15 am

Would Funimation ever release it subbed in theaters? Is that something that's usually done or is it generally the dub first?

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Can't wait for khara to give a December release date. :tongue:
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Postby kuribo-04 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:45 am

∆ I'll have to wait for the Japanese blu ray too.
Hopefully it doesn't become 2021 for me. :0
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Postby The Cruel » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:48 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:The teaser shows nothing of consequence, so what fears are those?


There is no other way to clarify it, than my disdain for what happened in 3.0, in which the worst that happens in Eva occurred and it was failed to prevent it.

This leads to a point of no return, that is inevetible, that won‘t be without consequences and nothing can be done to forgive this.

This makes it hard to belive for Rebuild to have a better ending, when it fails to deserve one.
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Postby pwhodges » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:32 am

Are you Ray?

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Postby ElMariachi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:59 am

So it finally happened uh.
To think that five years separated 1.0 and 3.0 (2007 to 2012), and that eight years will separate 3.0 from shin. :bigeyes:
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:02 am

This idea that “Rebuild” doesn’t deserve a good ending is new. (Well, it’s new to me.) Like the ending to NGE wasn’t a choice between 3 different versions of Third Impact that everyone except Gendo and Seele was trying to avoid in the first place.

I wonder what consists of a “good ending” in Eva, anyway. I’m not expecting sunshine and roses, per se.

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Postby Joseki » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:06 am

View Original PostCommanderFish wrote:Would Funimation ever release it subbed in theaters? Is that something that's usually done or is it generally the dub first?


Can't wait for khara to give a December release date. :tongue:


kuribo-04 wrote:∆ I'll have to wait for the Japanese blu ray too.
Hopefully it doesn't become 2021 for me. :0


We believed hard and 3.0+1.0 sprung to life, maybe if we believe hard enough a simultaneous theatrical release will spring to life too. :tongue:
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Postby The Cruel » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:12 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:Are you Ray?

;)


If that reminds you of his wailing the way I do, I can't help it.

Even if it preoccupies me for so long and that I even dedicated myself to wait my whole life for FINAL, it still comes back to me how 3.0 gnaws on my soul.

That's why I don't want anything else than being done with Eva and finally watch it in one piece.

I can only accept 3.0 as it is, no matter how relentless it is and how it affects FINAL.

Even when I looked after news about Eva again with no expectations for a update on FINAL, I wasn't prepaired for seeing a teaser and getting a release period for real.

It brought me over the edge when I watched the teaser, everything came back to me how I feel about 3.0 and then I realised that there 'll be no way back for me when I witness what follows with FINAL.

Until then, It 'll still be a war in my head, that I live my life as best as I can and trying not to be hard on myself and about Eva.
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Postby robersora » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:37 am

^
Brah, it's great you feel for a movie and everything - still, you really should look for another raison d'être.
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Postby KRandMJ » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:00 am

Does anyone think an new Evangelion in an animated form will be created/released after 4.0? I find it hard to believe that the franchise ends here sadly.
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Postby Joseki » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:18 am

View Original PostKRandMJ wrote:Does anyone think an new Evangelion in an animated form will be created/released after 4.0? I find it hard to believe that the franchise ends here sadly.


Anno's Eva may be over but I don't think Eva will be really over.
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Postby The Cruel » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:47 am

View Original Postrobersora wrote:^
Brah, it's great you feel for a movie and everything - still, you really should look for another raison d'être.


I appreciate your concern, I'll work on that and there is no need to feel that way for now.
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Postby KRandMJ » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:28 am

View Original PostJoseki wrote: I don't think Eva will be really over.

well that sucks, we are gonna have endless remakes/retelling that become even more distant from the source materials.

I'd rather have them make something totally new and not be restricted with conforming to eva's plot points. It never works out in any writing media; half and half are never good for a story.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:21 pm

^ I dunno if “never ending Eva” means all that. I mean, did Eva really completely stop between EoE and Eva Jo? Or did we have endless variations of manga, video games, and special shorts in that time? If we still get those after Shin Eva, I’ll be happy.

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Postby KRandMJ » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:35 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ I dunno if “never ending Eva” means all that. I mean, did Eva really completely stop between EoE and Eva Jo? Or did we have endless variations of manga, video games, and special shorts in that time? If we still get those after Shin Eva, I’ll be happy.


The more of something you have; the less value it can give.

These rebuild films do not explore the characters as much as NGE did. I've encountered people who dont even know who Hikari, Toji, Kensuke, &ect are. they only know superficial elements of the cast. 2.22 covers 13/26 NGE episodes; half of the series! only having maybe 30 seconds of character building for Asuka and Misato. The Eva units have no weight to them; they don't obey the laws of physics as EOE and NGE did.

Why even remake the story when the show is masterfully done?

When I first watched NGE then EOE; after learning that the rebuilds existed as film adaptations of the show, I was expecting EOE quality story telling. Elevated material. If episodes 25&26 became EOE; I was hyped thinking the rebuilds had the same treatment. Sadly no, Anno was just doing that film adaptation of 90's shows trend during the 2000-10s. following a trend rather than making one. These rebuilds feel like passionless projects; too many cooks spoil the brew.

For some reason these new movies are just missing something special; Nadia; Gunbuster, NGE all had the same quality that the rebuilds are lacking; fleshed out characters and fully realised and understood worlds. Its purely a writing problem on Anno's behalf.(he's the damn director any faults on his project are on him) Anno's older works had this basic literary premise; the characters actions/motivations have duel/multiple purposes, i.e Misato's backstory tells us her mentality; her traumas and a pivotal moment in the world's history. Instead of saying an impact happened we have a humanising aspect that tells us how this affected the character; It makes her likeable and we empathise with her situation.(we're invested) duel purpose story telling; all NGE characters had this treatment.

Rebuild has next to none of that. Anno and co only care about the spectacle. hence the falling eva unit shooting at nothing in the sky.

Let's discuss this instead of repeating the same tired premise for 20 years. its enjoyable and informative discussion.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:49 am

if we believe hard enough a simultaneous theatrical release will spring to life too.


The things is...I don't enjoy going to the cinema that much. And especially Eva I would prefer to watch at home.
Cue (im)patiently waiting. :P


The more of something you have; the less value it can give.

I think this isn't always true, just in some cases.
Also, look at Gundam (which is what Anno is aiming for). So many entries in that franchise. New Eva always being made not only has potential (imagine what different directors could do) it would make the franchise as a whole keep being current and popular, leading to the originals by Anno be remembered and watched by new people too.

These rebuild films do not explore the characters as much as NGE did.

Mostly due to the film format (I'd argue Shinji gets similarly explored though). On the other hand they do things NGE never did. They are a different work in a different format, that's how I see them (at the beginning I compared them more to NGE than I do now, 3.0 helped me with that).

I've encountered people who dont even know who Hikari, Toji, Kensuke, &ect are.

They just aren't as important in this iteration and I think that is fine.
Also they will be remembered if Eva keeps being popular like I said above.


These rebuilds feel like passionless projects; too many cooks spoil the brew.

This is obviously matter of opinion. While EoE remains my favourite film ever, 3.0 has also become one of my favourite films of all time and I love the Rebuild as a whole.
What do you mean with the "too many cooks" thing exactly? It's pretty much the same key people as in NGE doing the work AFAIK.

It's fine obviously that you have your opinion, just providing some counter points.
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Postby KRandMJ » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:20 am

It's fine obviously that you have your opinion, just providing some counter points.
View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:I think this isn't always true, just in some cases.
Also, look at Gundam (which is what Anno is aiming for). So many entries in that franchise. New Eva always being made not only has potential (imagine what different directors could do) it would make the franchise as a whole keep being current and popular, leading to the originals by Anno be remembered and watched by new people too.

Gundam is a Military science fiction series; all it needs is a wartime scenario and Gundams.

Evangelion is about the characters; Shinji, Asuka, Misato, Ect... You cannot re-imagine characters into something different.

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:Mostly due to the film format (I'd argue Shinji gets similarly explored though). On the other hand they do things NGE never did. They are a different work in a different format, that's how I see them (at the beginning I compared them more to NGE than I do now, 3.0 helped me with that).


BullS*%t, EOE made sense; it was a film format story that delivered emotional impacting moments.

So what? The Rebuilds get a pass because its a movie?
Here's the thing pal; movies in general explore the characters motivations/goals/backstory for the sake of the story. Anno just didn't care to do any of that because the show already existed; the "who cared?" mentality that fans ignore because the film is their favourite properties.

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:They just aren't as important in this iteration and I think that is fine.
Also they will be remembered if Eva keeps being popular like I said above.


BullS*%t again, that is horrible. Those characters are important to Shinji's mental state towards the end of the show; friends that are gone.
The fact is; is that they are not remembered already.

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:What do you mean with the "too many cooks" thing exactly? It's pretty much the same key people as in NGE doing the work AFAIK.


The direction the rebuilds have a lot of Diebuster literary choices they dont have any place in an Evangelion story; Also I doubt that the same team key players are working on these films.
But most important, it is clear that the direction of these films is split b/w what feels like 4 separate directions; Diebuster, A weird hyper-trope love triangle/ out of touch slice of life(NGE's was better), extreme lifts of Nadia element i.e. Nemosato (Nemo+Misato) not set-places but full blown character lifts, and the NGE source materials.

Im pretty sure Anno attempted to re-create the creative process that created NGE, allowing creative control with the same individuals that worked on NGE; unfortunately 25 years passed and these individuals developed different tastes and directorial methods, they may have been similar 25-30 years ago but they developed into different personalities that dont congeal well.

It feels like a key NGE writer is missing from Rebuilds production; someone that focused on character motivations/backstory.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:40 am

Ugh. This again. More long-winded essays about how because Rebuild didn’t please my image of what Eva is/the new movies don’t feel exactly like the old show from the mid 90s thus they’re empirically bad movies. Not to mention even more more misguided arguments about what movies are “supposed to do”. Whenever someone gets on a tirade about “How Rebuild is a mess” it derails all conversation over petty nonsense - secondary & tertiary characters like Toji, Kensuke & Hikaru not getting enough screentime or their characters not being enrichened is a perfect example of this empty pontificating because they are by design secondary & tertiary characters - & then the original of conversation ultimately gets lost.

This isn’t the “Debate the Quality of Rebuild” thread. Take all this over to that thread please.

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Postby Joseki » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:47 am

I was wondering if they chose and announced a 2020 release relatively early compared to what they did for Q to prepare an "Evangelion celebration" for that year.

The final chapter coming out on the 25th anniversary of NGE. Maybe they could theoretically release the movie in 2019 but chose to take more time because they could, because waiting 7 or 8 years doesn't make a real difference and because they could make it bigger and better this way. Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
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