I feel like Shinji will withdraw from everyone in 1.0+3.0

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Mon May 28, 2018 1:49 pm

Shinji was already pretty fragile and withdrawn before, but after trying to get close to others and it always going horrifically wrong, plus his interactions with two people in particular causing immense harm to both the entire planet and his personal psyche, I believe Shinji will become repressed and antisocial in FINAL. He'll likely push away or ignore others no matter what. Even if someone he becomes close to is endangered, he will do nothing because of what happened when he tried to save Rei. If he does eventually pilot (which is very unlikely in the first place), he'll likely be as passive and out-of-the-way as possible to avoid interfering or interacting with anything. If even this fails him, I don't think it's too far fetched to believe he'll completely lose his mind and voluntarily activate beast mode in hopes he can destroy everything so that no one will feel pain again, a much more literal and physical approach to what he did in End of Evangelion.
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Postby Lennik » Thu May 31, 2018 9:20 pm

I think this depends on what Wille does with him. If Misato gives him nothing to do except wander the ship and try not to break anything, I assume he'll spend a lot of time making himself as scarce as possible and speaking to no one unless they initiate conversation with him. In that case, I think his guilt and shame will be debilitating; he'll keep his head down and try to go unnoticed, because he thinks that every time anyone on the crew looks at him, they'll be reminded of everything they've lost because of him. If this is what happens, however, it will be very hard for him to snap out of it.

However, that's dependent on Misato not giving him anything to do.

She could very well put him in some position on the ship where his talents, which are still considerable, could be useful. This could be anything from putting him in the kitchens and having him cook for the crew to putting him in an Eva on standby in case of emergency. I imagine his demeanor will be the same (quiet and brooding, because at this point he'll probably feel guilty just for smiling) but still active in doing his part to save the world.

Recently I've been thinking a lot about Guardians of the Galaxy and how important the walkman is to the characters and theme, and it reminded me of Shinji's SDAT. I couldn't help but imagine the cooking staff on the Wunder having a stereo but no music to listen to (the post-Third Impact world is rough) and Shinji bringing his cassette along, and when combined with his mastery at cooking, Shinji turns the mess hall of the Wunder into the coolest hangout on the ship. This would not only give him a way to contribute in a meaningful way toward morale, but also a way for him to bond with the crew and re-form some human connections.

I'm only half joking. I don't think Shinji's been listening to 70s classic rock on that SDAT, but a man can dream.

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Postby AdamMalkovitch » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:16 pm

View Original PostLennik wrote:I think this depends on what Wille does with him. If Misato gives him nothing to do except wander the ship and try not to break anything, I assume he'll spend a lot of time making himself as scarce as possible and speaking to no one unless they initiate conversation with him. In that case, I think his guilt and shame will be debilitating; he'll keep his head down and try to go unnoticed, because he thinks that every time anyone on the crew looks at him, they'll be reminded of everything they've lost because of him. If this is what happens, however, it will be very hard for him to snap out of it.

However, that's dependent on Misato not giving him anything to do.

She could very well put him in some position on the ship where his talents, which are still considerable, could be useful. This could be anything from putting him in the kitchens and having him cook for the crew to putting him in an Eva on standby in case of emergency. I imagine his demeanor will be the same (quiet and brooding, because at this point he'll probably feel guilty just for smiling) but still active in doing his part to save the world.

Recently I've been thinking a lot about Guardians of the Galaxy and how important the walkman is to the characters and theme, and it reminded me of Shinji's SDAT. I couldn't help but imagine the cooking staff on the Wunder having a stereo but no music to listen to (the post-Third Impact world is rough) and Shinji bringing his cassette along, and when combined with his mastery at cooking, Shinji turns the mess hall of the Wunder into the coolest hangout on the ship. This would not only give him a way to contribute in a meaningful way toward morale, but also a way for him to bond with the crew and re-form some human connections.

I'm only half joking. I don't think Shinji's been listening to 70s classic rock on that SDAT, but a man can dream.

I hate to say this, but that seems far too optimistic for this new world. From what we've seen, everyone at WILLE is simply focused on survival, striking back at the remains of NERV when they can. Because of this, I predict Shinji will be locked up, not even allowed to roam, as to keep him from doing anything at all. It would actually likely be more merciful to kill him than detain and monitor him as heavily as I foresee. Misato and Ritsuko will take all possible precautions to keep Shinji from doing anything. Sure, when he returns Misato will likely break down after thinking she killed him (there's no way the crew wouldn't be able to tell that the choker didn't perform it's directive), and no one was able to report to WILLE that Shinji lived, as Mari simply ejected his plug and vanished, and Asuka lost communication with WILLE after ejecting her own plug from Unit 02 Dash, but I doubt Misato will allow Shinji any freedom at all.
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Postby one-eyed » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:03 pm

Honestly, it's the best thing that can happen to the poor bastard. He must find the truth for himself and as far as possible from Misato, Asuka, and Co. IF Hideaki Anno has the least decency as a storyteller, in the end, Shinji and Wille will never meet again. Any bond between them died and the bridges are ashes.

I do not want reconciliation, I just want truth and resolution. I will never have it because Evangelion is a popularity contest and Shinji is just a punching bag for Anno to dump his frustrations.

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Postby pwhodges » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:42 pm

Never meet Wille again? But Asuka's Wille, and she's dragging him along by the arm, so he's not easily getting away.
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Postby one-eyed » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:16 am

I hope they separate ways, like in the video "Until you come to me." While Shinji is with Asuka and Wille he will not get answers because Anno will turn it into a popularity contest, and it is obvious that Shinji will lose. Lose horribly!

In Q, I expected answers about what happened in Ha. How did Eva wake up? Gendo really removed the security locks of Eva 01? Was Kaworu really aware of the plan with that "Promised Time" story? What do I get? Misato, Asuka, and Cia take that childlike humiliation antics with parades of prisoners and cold treatment. It's going to be even worse now.

When Shinji "betrayed" Kaworu by blocking him, my first thought was: how he knew how to do it? How can the co-pilot block main pilot? I can understand that Kaworu could block Shinji, but not the opposite (makes sense to me, after all, Kaworu is manipulating Shinji and Asuka could have convinced him to give up simply by talking to him). Why did not Kaworu stop him? The answer: Kaworu was too sick to push a single button and so did nothing. He would not dare deny Shinji anything!

Less than a minute later Kaworu easily regains control, makes his Messianic speech, and dies. Kaworu's death was crucial for me to realize that the answer to all my questions is simply: Who cares? The important thing is that Shinji is the one to blame for everything, how and why are irrelevant.

The final balance of Q?

Gendo confirmed his omnipotence, omniscience and his divine right to ascend from King of Lilins to God Emperor of the Gods!

Wille are tragic heroes fighting the infinite power of the Supreme Being of the Universe: Gendo, the Divine!

Even Fuyutsuki had his chance to shine it! He euthanized Seele and helped manipulate Shinji.

And Shinji is below Seele! The cultists had a sweet, quiet death believing that their dreams would be fulfilled (and maybe they are still, who knows?). Shinji nor the death blow, will be thrown into some hole and forgotten, mulling over his absolutely impossible story of misery and useless suffering.

I know I'm being a grumpy old man, but this is Evangelion, man! Gendo, Misato, Kaworu, Fuyutsuki, Marisuka, etc. are the real protagonists. They sell merchandising. They are magazine covers. They are what are important. Shinji is nothing, at best he is a simple plot device and a sin eater. He exists for the glorification of Gendo's genius, to receive hatred, to be manipulated and cursed. Shinji was this in EoE and Q, he will be again 1.0 + 3.0.

I can no longer immerse myself in the story anymore and my voluntary suspension of disbelief has already been exceeded. I want the truth and answers and I will not get it in a contest of popularity competing with the Mari’s Melons swaying in front of me, the Rei’s nudity and probably the officialisation of Marisuka.

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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:29 am

View Original Postone-eyed wrote:Shinji is nothing, at best he is a simple plot device and a sin eater. He exists for the glorification of Gendo's genius, to receive hatred, to be manipulated and cursed. Shinji was this in EoE and Q, he will be again 1.0 + 3.0.

And if your expectations are defied again and he turns out not to be?
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Postby one-eyed » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:15 am

There is no shame in any analysis of a work of fiction because any interpretation is valid. I have as much right as do the Gendofags and Shinji haters to complain and defend my points of view.

If I'm wrong I'd bow my head and acknowledge it, but I find it impossible for the reasons I've already said. Anno is repeating himself and insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

P.S.: I did not understand the "again".

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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:35 am

View Original Postone-eyed wrote:P.S.: I did not understand the "again".

Was referring to....
In Q, I expected answers about what happened in Ha. How did Eva wake up? Gendo really removed the security locks of Eva 01? Was Kaworu really aware of the plan with that "Promised Time" story? What do I get? Misato, Asuka, and Cia take that childlike humiliation antics with parades of prisoners and cold treatment. It's going to be even worse now.
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Postby one-eyed » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:17 pm

Got it. I usually make mistakes with positive predictions. Unfortunately, the negative predictions I usually hit.

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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:23 am

View Original PostLennik wrote:I'm only half joking. I don't think Shinji's been listening to 70s classic rock on that SDAT, but a man can dream.

Nope just Linkin Park :hitthetable:
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Postby Lennik » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:28 pm

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:Nope just Linkin Park :hitthetable:


:lol: As big of a part as Linkin Park played in my formative years, "Numb" and "In The End" are not gonna turn the mess hall into the coolest hangout on the Wunder, I'm sorry to say.

But Redbone's "Come and Get Your Love"? The sky's the limit.


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