Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

Moderators: New Moderators, Board Staff

Joseki
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 927
Joined: Dec 27, 2016
Location: Italy
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Joseki » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:09 pm

View Original PostFrDougal9000 wrote:-On the subject of being lower down, Asuka makes it a point to stand over Shinji whenever they personally meet (on the desk aboard the Wunder, and when she opens up his Entry Plug at the end). It's a great way to communicate that Asuka has gone back to the way she was at the beginning of 2.0, and how the events near the end of that movie affected her really badly.ad trouble understanding what was going on, but I need to figure out what I think of this film, and I need to be able to see this film through my own eyes.


Asuka puts heself above Shinji or pushes him down, but she's also the one that make him stand at the end. Quite allegoric.
「希望は残っているよ。どんな時にもね」

29/07/2017 - 20/07/2018

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:39 am

∆ That's true about Asuka. I suspect she will be somewhat warmer around him in the last film. Some kind of conversation will probably happen.

Depending on where you watch this movie it's better to watch it in stereo.

Btw, I remember this being a discussion, Asuka doesn't actually want to kill Shinji in Central Dogma.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

ArvisTaljik
Adam
User avatar
Posts: 62
Joined: Sep 16, 2017
Location: Tampa, FL
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby ArvisTaljik » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:49 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:Isn't it standard tradition that the commanding officer of a ship is referred to as "Captain" no matter what their actual rank is? Misato is the Captain of the Wunder, so it makes sense that Asuka refers to her by that title.


This is correct. The Japanese term for "Captain of a Warship" is 艦長 (kanchou). This title is one of position and NOT one of rank, meaning that she is "Captain" of the ship regardless of what her actual military rank is. You could also swap this with "Commanding Officer" 隊長 (taichou). Several other anime series play rather fast and loose with the two titles and frequently use both alongside one another.

By comparison the other "captain" ranks are 大尉 (taisa) which can designate a Colonel (Army/Marines/Air Force) or Captain (Navy) or the rank of 大尉 (taii) which is a Captain (Army/Marines/Air Force) or Lieutenant (Navy).
peace: /piːs/
noun: a condition attained through the decisive employment of superior firepower

Joseki
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 927
Joined: Dec 27, 2016
Location: Italy
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Joseki » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:24 am

I believe that "Captain Katsuragi" was used to tell the viewer that not only Asuka - Shinji and Misato - Shinji relationships have collapsed during those 14 years, but Asuka - Misato too is not what it was in 2.0, and the "happy family" is gone.
「希望は残っているよ。どんな時にもね」

29/07/2017 - 20/07/2018

FrDougal9000
Tunniel
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 186
Joined: May 11, 2013
Location: Cork, Ireland
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby FrDougal9000 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:08 pm

pwhodges wrote:This has been commented quite a lot, but there are big disagreements. I have no problem with it, so I haven't investigated personally, but as I recall I got the impression that it's an issue of how the surround soundtrack gets mixed down to stereo in most listeners' systems.


That could very well be. For reference, I watched the film on an Xbox 360 hooked up to an old CRT and listening to it with very good headphones.

However, that was the same way I watched the first two films and there was no problem there, so I'm not sure what's happened there.

ArvisTaljik wrote:This is correct. The Japanese term for "Captain of a Warship" is 艦長 (kanchou). This title is one of position and NOT one of rank, meaning that she is "Captain" of the ship regardless of what her actual military rank is. You could also swap this with "Commanding Officer" 隊長 (taichou). Several other anime series play rather fast and loose with the two titles and frequently use both alongside one another.

By comparison the other "captain" ranks are 大尉 (taisa) which can designate a Colonel (Army/Marines/Air Force) or Captain (Navy) or the rank of 大尉 (taii) which is a Captain (Army/Marines/Air Force) or Lieutenant (Navy).


As someone with little to no knowledge on military/navy rankings beyond the broadest possible sense, I guess it's not surprising that flew over my head. With that in mind now, I like to think it holds a double meaning: working both in a technical sense and also implying Asuka's changed relationship with Misato since their last scene in 2.0.

kuribo-04 wrote:Btw, I remember this being a discussion, Asuka doesn't actually want to kill Shinji in Central Dogma.


I do remember that discussion, but chose not to pay much attention since I didn't have enough context to get involved. Now that I've seen the film, I'm of a few different thoughts regarding that line:

1. That's what the Home Release/khara subs said, so either that's what they intended and we don't like the idea it's presenting, or there's an error and it's supposed to mean something else.

2. Maybe Asuka doesn't want to kill Shinji, but when it could mean the end of the world, she gets really tense and proclaiming the first thing that comes to mind.

I didn't mean to imply Asuka wanted to kill Shinji, though considering I used the phrase "with the intent of killing him", I shouldn't be surprised people took it like that. That's totally on my head, and I apologize for causing confusion/adding more fire to this contentious discussion.
Pen-Pen died for your sins!

AdamMalkovitch
Sachiel
User avatar
Age: 19
Posts: 235
Joined: Jul 23, 2017
Location: Gino's Pizzeria
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby AdamMalkovitch » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:00 pm

View Original PostFrDougal9000 wrote:I point this out because the hardest thing about watching 3.0 is trying to figure out which thoughts are my own, and which are those derived from opinion pieces, forum posts, blogs and whatnot that I came to understand and agree with. It's actually really frustrating, as someone who was looking forward to 3.0 and wondering how it would turn out, that I can't figure out what the hell I really think of it. I managed to do that for the first two films (mainly because I'd watched them early enough in my fandom that I was able to have opinions on them that could be changed or developed over time), but not with 3.0.

It took me years to come to my own conclusions about my feelings on this particular film. When I first saw it, I was so utterly bewildered and confused that I kept checking the questionably legal streaming site I was using to make sure I was watching the right movie (I later bought a Blu Ray copy new from Best Buy). Years later, I've come to accept that Q is a weird-ass, poorly paced film, that has incredible animation and some fucking awesome action scenes, but was very clearly meant to only be the first half of the finale. There's like an act and a half here, it's painfully obvious.
Now, the only reasons I revisit the film are either if I'm marathoning the New Theatrical films, or if I just wanna see some giant robots kick the shit out of each other atop mountains of gigantic skulls, in which case I'll usually just skip to the action scenes. I still think the opening of the film is the best of the NTE movies (yet), followed by Break and Prelude.
In my opinion, the best parts of the film are the visuals, and the music. It's just so fantastical, but at the same time so melancholy, it's the perfect juxtaposition, and fits really well with some of the themes and tones in the second half of Neon Genesis, and the entirety of End of Evangelion.
I really couldn't care less what happens to any characters besides Misato, Shinji, Rei, and Asuka, as we know nothing about them in this universe. So little time was taken to develop the characters that I couldn't care less whether the majority of them lived or died. At this point, my main source of hype for FINAL (I will never call it 1.0+3.0) is just seeing how Anno manages to either salvage this trainwreck, or just says fuck it and murders everyone, just to fuck with the audience. I know just how difficult it will be to avoid spoilers for FINAL, so I'll have to stream it using said questionable site to avoid having it ruined, but I'll at least wait until there's a quality rip of the Japanese Blu Ray with some fan subs. I couldn't force myself to sit through two hours of somebody pointing a camera at a theatre screen. Although you can bet your ass I'll be snatching up a US Blu Ray copy the day they're released, and I'll probably see the dub in theatres if Funimation does another theatrical release (if I can even find a showing, seeing as I live in bumfuck Oklahoma).
I've reached a point where I just generally don't give a fuck anymore. In a good way.

robersora
Seed
Seed
User avatar
Age: 26
Posts: 3670
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Europe, Austria
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby robersora » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:06 pm

The audio mixing is totally fucked up if you don't own a 5.1 system on the German release too. Music much too silent. Really frustrating issue, which I haven't seen on any other release.

I still don't understand, why of all the incomprehensible stuff going on in Q, people have discussed that line so much. Humans, when furious say things they don't really mean. Especially generally brash ones, as Asuka is continuously portrayed. Consider you are filled with scorn for a person that brought the apocalypse to the world, and when you meet him again 14 years later (which is a considerable timeframe to intensify your anger), he is not the Hitler you stylized him to be. And then he's going to do that big no-no yet AGAIN. So while you try your darndest to prevent the continuation of the apocalypse you might get angry and say things like "I'll kill you".
2Q||3.33 _ 神殺しを行う
Decadent Stoned Slacker Socialist

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:30 am

I didn't mean to imply Asuka wanted to kill Shinji, though considering I used the phrase "with the intent of killing him"

I better understand what you meant now.
I also agree with robersora. Probably a heat of the moment thing.

There's like an act and a half here, it's painfully obvious
.
I'd say there is a very defined beginning, middle, end structure. They are even each 30 minutes long.
A former evageeks user also pointed out in a conversation how this might be referencing a sonata (since music is used as a motiv throughout the film).
I think this structure is very intentional. I feel like the movie has its message (You can not redo) and that is clearly portrayed in the last part. So I feel like it is its own thing.
I also get a feeling of something missing, but in my case I think it's more the curiosity of seeing where the story goes I guess.
Supporting your stance on it is the fact that the storyboard doesn't have a D part, like 1.0 and 2.0 did. Then again, would the Q storyboard have needed to ne divided in 4 parts? The last page of it seems very much like a last page. I guess.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

pwhodges
A Lilin in Wonderland
A Lilin in Wonderland
User avatar
Age: 72
Posts: 10001
Joined: Nov 18, 2012
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby pwhodges » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:50 am

It is conjectured that until You come to me consists of material from an originally planned D-part.
"Being human, having your health; that's what's important." (from: Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi )
"As long as we're all living, and as long as we're all having fun, that should do it, right?" (from: The Eccentric Family )
Avatar: "It was yourself you ran away from" - episode 16. (details); Past avatars.
Can't wait for 3.0+1.0? - try Afterwards... my post-Q Evangelion fanfic (discussion)

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:21 pm

Yes, I've read that too.
Doesn't 3.0's ending seem too perfect of an ending though?
I guess we'll know when the CRC comes out.
I don't think it's likely that there was a D part, but it's possible.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

pwhodges
A Lilin in Wonderland
A Lilin in Wonderland
User avatar
Age: 72
Posts: 10001
Joined: Nov 18, 2012
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby pwhodges » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:54 pm

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:Doesn't 3.0's ending seem too perfect of an ending though?

That would have been a good reason to ditch any earlier extended ending.
"Being human, having your health; that's what's important." (from: Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi )
"As long as we're all living, and as long as we're all having fun, that should do it, right?" (from: The Eccentric Family )
Avatar: "It was yourself you ran away from" - episode 16. (details); Past avatars.
Can't wait for 3.0+1.0? - try Afterwards... my post-Q Evangelion fanfic (discussion)

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:58 pm

True.
That is very logical but didn't think of it.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

Joseki
Armisael
Armisael
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 927
Joined: Dec 27, 2016
Location: Italy
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Joseki » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:10 pm

kuribo-04 wrote:Doesn't 3.0's ending seem too perfect of an ending though?


Yes it's perfect, I would have loved the same ending scene as the definitive ending for Eva.
「希望は残っているよ。どんな時にもね」

29/07/2017 - 20/07/2018

C.T.1290
Banned
Age: 27
Posts: 360
Joined: Apr 22, 2017
Location: Pit of Hate
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby C.T.1290 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:19 pm

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:∆ That's true about Asuka. I suspect she will be somewhat warmer around him in the last film. Some kind of conversation will probably happen.

I'm not sure if she'll be warmer towards him at anytime soon. Maybe somewhere in the middle or towards the end. But she's definitely not going to go easy on him. She'll certainly hurl insults at him, calling him stupid and belittle him much like what the old Asuka did before.
Btw, I remember this being a discussion, Asuka doesn't actually want to kill Shinji in Central Dogma.

But did she really intended to? That is, if she was given no choice?
Joseki wrote:I believe that "Captain Katsuragi" was used to tell the viewer that not only Asuka - Shinji and Misato - Shinji relationships have collapsed during those 14 years, but Asuka - Misato too is not what it was in 2.0, and the "happy family" is gone.

And so is Shinji's hope of ever finding happiness, like he was destined to fail, to never achieve happiness. And the same could apply to Asuka and Misato. And the world is truly doomed as it forever, and it can never be restored.

With the way things are, maybe the characters would be better off dying.
"Who dares to summon the master of masters, the deliverer of darkness, the Shogun of sorrow, Aku!?"-Aku

"KONO DIO DA!"-Dio

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:50 am

∆ If Eva episode 26 taught as something, it's that Anno believes that regardless of the state of the world it's your mind that decides if you are happy.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

FrDougal9000
Tunniel
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 186
Joined: May 11, 2013
Location: Cork, Ireland
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby FrDougal9000 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:27 am

We're having a bit of a snow storm (or the temperate zone equivalent) in Ireland at the moment, which has me stuck at home for the next few days with plenty of time to kill. So I decided to rewatch 3.0, and I think I've finally figured out what I think of the film; for now, at least.

I think 3.0 is a good film, first and foremost. It's a very risky film, going from what was an overall light-hearted, feel good mecha action movie with an occasionally disturbing bit to a deliberately isolating and sombre film from which there is almost no levity and where the main character loses whatever hope he might have had before, and it's a risk that is pulled off really well. As usual, the editing, scene transitions, pacing and cinematography are on point and demonstrate why Evangelion as a whole is a masterclass at flowing seamlessly between everything. The film does a great job at getting the audience into Shinji's head, and all but telling them that Shinji is the central character of these films; not an ensemble piece like many expected/wanted.

However, I am personally mixed. On the one hand, I love all of the character interactions and the second act/NERV HQ portion of the film in general. I just love everything about them, and it's the primary reason I'm so glad that 3.0 is such a drastic change from the previous two films in terms of style and focus.

On the other hand, I'm totally indifferent to the action scenes and technobabble in the first and third acts. I like action scenes, but the ones in 3.0 do so little for me that I tend to start blanking them out when watching the film. Not helping this is the soundtrack: it's overall great, but for some demented reason, they try to shove 40-odd minutes worth of music into a 20 minute climax (from descending into Central Dogma to Mari ejecting Shinji's plug) and it just makes the climax too hectic for its own good.

At the very least, the film knows exactly what it wants to be, goes for it as hard as it can, and pulls it off as best it can. Whether or not you will enjoy it, however, is a personal opinion, and I'm okay with that.

Also, I'd like to address one of the posts made recently:

View Original PostC.T.1290 wrote:And the world is truly doomed as it forever, and it can never be restored.

With the way things are, maybe the characters would be better off dying.


I disagree with that. From what little we see outside of NERV HQ, outside of the ruins of what may be Tokyo-3, I don't believe the world is doomed or its people are so bereft hope that they would be better off dead. People are still around, as evidenced by the well-staffed WILLE organization and the countless ships, submarines and crew members they have on hand. Those people are still working together, despite one or two minor quibbles from inexperienced, younger crew members, and they're doing the best they can.

Yes, the world (or what we see of the Arctic/Antarctic region at the beginning and NERV/Tokyo-3) looks pretty bad, but there's nothing to suggest that it's completely beyond repair. One might say the same thing about the world in 1.0 and 2.0, but they managed to restore a small portion of the ocean - so there's every reason to believe that the people of this world might be able to change things for the better. Maybe they're getting to work on it right now (if only in the smallest possible fashion), and we may see that in the final film.

I'll happily admit to speculating on that last point, but it's clear in 3.0 that despite what's happened, people are still going to do everything they can to make things right. As a trailer for the film once said, "There is hope. There is always hope."
Pen-Pen died for your sins!

AdamMalkovitch
Sachiel
User avatar
Age: 19
Posts: 235
Joined: Jul 23, 2017
Location: Gino's Pizzeria
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby AdamMalkovitch » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:42 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:∆ That's true about Asuka. I suspect she will be somewhat warmer around him in the last film. Some kind of conversation will probably happen.

I agree. I feel like the best way to do the first act of FINAL would be to have Asuka and Shinji making their way across the red Earth, followed by Rei fiddling with Shinji's SDAT. After Shinji asks why everyone is being such a cold, distant dickhead to him, Asuka explains in greater detail exactly what happened while Unit 01 was dormant. I do believe that the three of them will make it to WILLE with no real issues before at least the halfway point, as during the preview for FINAL (which I'm well aware could totally just be another instance of Anno fucking with us like the preview for Q), Misato states that "Shinji has lost his will to live, but the place he arrives at teaches him what it means to hope". This place is very likely WILLE, as it's a rebel group that's managed to not only hold on, but actively fight back and even steal an unfinished assault weapon in the form of the WUNDER, just because they have such a strong will to survive and take back their home. Seeing these people work so hard despite making very little progress towards their goal in 14 years is sure to cause Shinji to regain his will to live.
I've reached a point where I just generally don't give a fuck anymore. In a good way.

kuribo-04
Lilin
Lilin
User avatar
Age: 22
Posts: 1434
Joined: Feb 03, 2013
Location: Germany again, before that Spain
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby kuribo-04 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:02 pm

At the very least, the film knows exactly what it wants to be, goes for it as hard as it can, and pulls it off as best it can. Whether or not you will enjoy it, however, is a personal opinion, and I'm okay with that.


I think this is completely fair.
To me Eva 3.0 is a very important film. Watched it at 16, and it made me rethink what what had already become my favourite series/film franchise could be.

I'm more of a fan of mech action than Wunder-style ships, I love the initial action scenes with the Wunder though. I would still rank them below the other action scenes in the film, probably.
What I think works so well with it is the utter shock of seeing something so new to Eva, and the fact that so much time is dedicated to it (while also being genuinely motivating and a good way to establish what Wille is and goes through) almost seems like a provocation, "you probably want to know what the Hell is happening and go back to old Eva, but this is how it is, we are here now and there is no going back).
I love the soundtrack as well, but that's another taste thing. "God's Gift" is amazing to me.

Seeing these people work so hard despite making very little progress towards their goal in 14 years is sure to cause Shinji to regain his will to live.

I expect something similar. I always thought of some type of settlement and that Kaji would be there.
3.0 is a dark film, but not a hopeless one. Especially because of the tone of the last scene (there's even subtle comedy in it).
Also, Shinji might have his issues, but he cares about the people he lived with.
His main motivation at the end of 3.0 was to regain Misato's trust ("This way, even Misato would..." before pulling out the lances).
The last film could totally go as somber as EoE, but I don't see it as the only possibility.
Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
"In any case, it (Kill la Kill) is the greatest work of fiction ever written and should be taught in schools." -Squigsquasher
~('.'~) (~'.')~ Dancin Kirby

C.T.1290
Banned
Age: 27
Posts: 360
Joined: Apr 22, 2017
Location: Pit of Hate
Gender: Male
Contact:

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby C.T.1290 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:39 am

View Original PostFrDougal9000 wrote:I disagree with that. From what little we see outside of NERV HQ, outside of the ruins of what may be Tokyo-3, I don't believe the world is doomed or its people are so bereft hope that they would be better off dead. People are still around, as evidenced by the well-staffed WILLE organization and the countless ships, submarines and crew members they have on hand. Those people are still working together, despite one or two minor quibbles from inexperienced, younger crew members, and they're doing the best they can.

I mean that WILLE should probably die. With the way Shinji is now, all hope is lost to him. In his eyes, everyone in WILLE hates him, even those who were once his family. What's left there for him now. And it's like what Shinji said in EoE:

"Nobody cares about me, so they can all just die!"

If Shinji chooses to die to end his suffering, then he should take everyone else with him to share his sorrow with them. Also, I don't think if we should care about the members of WILLE. All of them are kind of assholes, especially Misato and Asuka. Whatever kinship and positive feelings they once had with him, :eatbomb: *poof* Gone. Possibly forever.

And there's no way to reverse the effects Third and Fourth Impact has left on the world. Shinji tried to undo the damage he had caused, and look where that gotten him. So hope for him is gone, and so are the chances of him reconciling with Misato and Asuka.

So if he was destined to fail and endure eternal suffering, then the others should join him in it.
"Who dares to summon the master of masters, the deliverer of darkness, the Shogun of sorrow, Aku!?"-Aku

"KONO DIO DA!"-Dio

Shinji Ikari Expy
Embryo
User avatar
Posts: 27
Joined: Aug 27, 2017
Gender: Male

Re: Rewatching the Rebuilds, and my thoughts

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Shinji Ikari Expy » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:44 am

Like many fans of the original series, I hated 3.0 when I first watched it. After seeing it a few times, I still find it painful to watch, but I have to admit it's a good movie.

I've spent more time thinking and reflecting on 3.0 (and the closing events of 2.0) than on any other part of the franchise. How much blame should Shinji bear for the catastrophic events that ran up to 3.0? How can he find redemption? How much of Misato's anger is justified, and how should she have handled Shinji's awakening? What are the true motivations of Misato, Asuka, Gendo and Kaworu? These are interesting questions that I've spent hours turning over in my mind, and I've enjoyed watching you guys grapple with them on this forum.

Anno has created a scenario in which it is impossible to assign blame to any one person — and impossible not to empathize with each of them — but it's also impossible to dismiss their faults.

Once 4.0 comes out and gives us a satisfying conclusion, 3.0 will be viewed in a much better light. We'll all laugh about how much it pissed off the fanbase when it first came out.


Return to “Rebuild of Evangelion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests