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Postby ACGT-Samael » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:44 pm

Something actually occurred to me about the four eyes thing.

When we see Unit-01 still connected to Lilith, she's featureless, and doesn't seem to become the shape we recognise until post Contact Experiment. Meanwhile, Adam's progeny show us that AT Fields can manipulate physical form beyond the instructions of the genome. The AT Field comes from the soul.

What happened to Kyoko's soul? It was torn in half. Initially only half remained with Unit-02, but it's generally accepted that the rest was salvaged in later. Perhaps the four eyes are a result of the two halves failing to reconverge, resulting in essentially two overlaid Souls. The eyes are the windows of the soul.

Dualism and shit.

Seriously though that's a legitimate theory I'm putting forward.

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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:53 pm

^ Well, that would certainly make more scene than my own theory of DNA-splicing, I buy it.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:01 pm

View Original PostACGT-Samael wrote:Seriously though that's a legitimate theory I'm putting forward.

I like it as a Doyleist explanation for why Eva-02 might look that way (even if the split-soul thing was reverse-engineered from the idea of giving an Eva four eyes). Watsonian-wise, it's rather weak, IMO.

First, it doesn't address Eva-02's other oddities. The simplest and thus best explanation would account for everything.

Next, "eyes are a window into the soul" is a common metaphor, yes, but that does not translate into "a not entirely unified soul is going to make its body grow extra eyes". I could see, maybe, Eva-01's green eyes being a result of Yui's influence -- here, green eyes are an actual trait remembered by the soul that could be passed onto the new body via epigenetic magic. If the idea here is that two separate soul-pieces are each "remembering" a complete Kyoko body, then why stop at duplicating eyes? Why not other body parts? If the eyes have been explicitly influenced by Kyoko's soul(s) -- one pair being EXCLUSIVELY the result of spiritual influence -- then why are they such a weird color?

Last, how would the restraints placed upon Evas even allow such extreme metamorphosis at all? You see your Eva growing new body parts out of nowhere, you put that beast on ice and diagnose the problem, stat.

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Postby Protohipster » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:40 pm

View Original PostACGT-Samael wrote:Something actually occurred to me about the four eyes thing.

When we see Unit-01 still connected to Lilith, she's featureless, and doesn't seem to become the shape we recognise until post Contact Experiment. Meanwhile, Adam's progeny show us that AT Fields can manipulate physical form beyond the instructions of the genome. The AT Field comes from the soul.

What happened to Kyoko's soul? It was torn in half. Initially only half remained with Unit-02, but it's generally accepted that the rest was salvaged in later. Perhaps the four eyes are a result of the two halves failing to reconverge, resulting in essentially two overlaid Souls. The eyes are the windows of the soul.

Dualism and shit.

Seriously though that's a legitimate theory I'm putting forward.

Splitting in halves is a motif throughout Eva. What comes to mind are
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Asuka's right arm splitting in half in 25', Lilith's face splitting in half in 26', and the blood from Lilith's neck that dries around Earth post-instrumentality only surrounds half of the Earth, creating a half comet. It's also worth noting that the half of Lilith's face that's lost is the same half that Asuka has bandaged in the epilogue.
I think we're on the right track with something here.

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Postby Reichu » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:10 am

Kyoko's soul splitting in half is the part of this equation that would fit into such a motif. All of the stuff about Eva-02 growing extra eyes BECAUSE of what happened to Kyoko does not apply.

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Postby ACGT-Samael » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:47 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I like it as a Doyleist explanation for why Eva-02 might look that way (even if the split-soul thing was reverse-engineered from the idea of giving an Eva four eyes). Watsonian-wise, it's rather weak, IMO.

First, it doesn't address Eva-02's other oddities. The simplest and thus best explanation would account for everything.

Next, "eyes are a window into the soul" is a common metaphor, yes, but that does not translate into "a not entirely unified soul is going to make its body grow extra eyes". I could see, maybe, Eva-01's green eyes being a result of Yui's influence -- here, green eyes are an actual trait remembered by the soul that could be passed onto the new body via epigenetic magic. If the idea here is that two separate soul-pieces are each "remembering" a complete Kyoko body, then why stop at duplicating eyes? Why not other body parts? If the eyes have been explicitly influenced by Kyoko's soul(s) -- one pair being EXCLUSIVELY the result of spiritual influence -- then why are they such a weird color?

Last, how would the restraints placed upon Evas even allow such extreme metamorphosis at all? You see your Eva growing new body parts out of nowhere, you put that beast on ice and diagnose the problem, stat.


We've established by this point NERV are actually really terrible at understanding how Evas work and getting them to actually cooperate. All that fancy machinery and restraint armour only works to keep them in line because the resident souls ostensibly allow it. The moment Yui or Kyoko goes "okay, seriously though" it becomes clear NERV has very little power over, or knowledge of, these titans. I would honestly not be surprised if a bunch of mutations got dumped in the "shit we don't understand about Eva" pile.

As for the host of other weird features, that's harder to explain, but my guess would be "corruption". The chaos resulting from two halves of a soul failing to reconverge mag have resulted in a lot of genetic instructions not being executed properly.

It's a stretch I know, but it at least works with (mostly) known properties of Evas.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:56 am

The second part, which you included in the quote but didn't respond to, includes what I would consider some of the more germane points here... (Editing post quotes down to what you are actually addressing is good practice, BTW.)

Doyleist explanations taken literally generally don't make very good Watsonian ones. There's nothing wrong with the clear distinction between the two and the complementary coverage that having both available provides.


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