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Postby robersora » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:21 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:That's sharing your opinion though, which is what the topic is there for.


Thanks for the back-up, brah.

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:I don't know how recent it is honestly. But in current society I know it is effed up, and Franxx is being released into current society.


Well, maybe. Current Western society, that is. But in the end her pregnancy is just a conclusion of the underlying theme of FranXX - that people can only be truly fulfilled in heterosexual relationships with kids. Even if that is true for the majority of the populace, it's a dangerous philosophy.



View Original PostJustacrazyguy wrote:Yeah man, I get you. Darling was divisive from the beginning, I'm not expecting everyone to like it. I just got invested into it more than usual.


Even if you feel you're not that good of a writer (I think you're perfectly capable), I'd love to read your final take on it.
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Postby El Squibbonator » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:12 am

View Original Postrobersora wrote: But in the end her pregnancy is just a conclusion of the underlying theme of FranXX - that people can only be truly fulfilled in heterosexual relationships with kids. Even if that is true for the majority of the populace, it's a dangerous philosophy.


In the end, that's what stopped me from liking this show.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:39 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Thanks for the back-up, brah.
Well, maybe. Current Western society, that is. But in the end her pregnancy is just a conclusion of the underlying theme of FranXX - that people can only be truly fulfilled in heterosexual relationships with kids. Even if that is true for the majority of the populace, it's a dangerous philosophy.


I agree so strongly with this like I like this show but hated this plot line so much its basically saying hi girls your destiny is to be an oven for kids that's your only choice in life and its what you need along with a boyfriend and it being a teen pregnancy only adds to this and makes it even worse.

Not to mention this show has a cold vibe that queer characters basically don't get what they want and are forced to conform and have male piolts whether they want it or not. Which is another bad message to send to an LGBT viewer because it makes them feel shitty like there sexuality does not matter and its such a horribly outdated message to send.

Like I feel like had these issues been fixed or subverted in some manner it might have been okay along with Zero Two's mental break down which switches to fast in my opinion and again kind of implies love will fix any mental health issue you have when in reality it doesn't a healthy relationship just helps you its not a magic bullet this could have been such an amazing show its like it was so close to greatness but then destroyed itself with crap like this.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:46 pm

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:on that. For some reason I wanna finnish Franxx. I think it's becoming worse, but it's interesting seeing why.
Also, it has Imaishi animation sometimes and can be pretty entertaining.
(I hope your prediction for the ending is true lol)
This is where I play contrarian -- now that the sci-fi scenario is belatedly emerging from the manic dino dream girl froth, I'd say the series was improving (flash-back episode aside), though it would take a miracle to salvage the whole thing now.

It's looking increasingly likely that Imaishi had already moved on to GRIDMAN by the time the final episodes were being put together, so we shan't see his animation, nor his favourite style of ending (see e.g. Gurren Lagann).

That means it's likely to be Hayashi doing the closing stretch, and his reputation is for putting characters through the wringer before delivering a happy ending (Stein's;Gate usually being cited at this point). It's also a little too far from the last episode for what has happened so far to be indicating a Fafner end; so at this point I'm expecting a YuYuYu end.

The symbolic insemination of the Earth would be in line with all the other motifs in the show; and the "I can't make it rain." gives a clue as to the ending. Code 002's final name is of course obvious when you consider her diet, and the fact that as a human by adoption, she only merits a gaijin name, albeit one that matches her use of "Darling".

View Original Postrobersora wrote:I didn't even cover the proto-fascist ideology this show keeps on happily selling to us.
No, co-dependency is not awesome;
I agree that the Zero Two/Hiro thing is a bad thing because it's unhealthy co-dependency (even if that is the only way to stabilise a "ho into housewife" fantasy like this), but if this show were truly proto-fascist, do you think it would be using a main couple that are race-mixing?

no, you can't do the Shonen trope
What this is doing is playing off the red oni/blue oni motif.

View Original Postamitakartok wrote:Besides... calling out a story for its faults is one thing, but doing so at a noname forum none of the A-1 staff ever heard of, let alone visited just... kinda defeats the stated purpose.
You have to go do it on /a/ instead -- some cultural exchange does happen there (we even got official word there that Miku is best girl).

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:kind of implies love will fix any ...
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:09 pm

After a slow start Darling got quite fun to watch; also I guess I find Hiro and Zerotsuu more interesting than some of you, and I want to see how they end up. Recent episodes have got bad in story-telling terms, though. And I agree that the sexual characterisation is seriously questionable.

On anime in general, I think that some of it is interesting as a window on to Japanese society and attitudes.

As for Gainax, they’re currently doing a show about piano playing which is OK except the animation gets weak when they are rotoscoping actual players.
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Postby amitakartok » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:18 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:You have to go do it on /a/ instead -- some cultural exchange does happen there (we even got official word there that Miku is best girl).


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Postby robersora » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:12 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:I agree that the Zero Two/Hiro thing is a bad thing because it's unhealthy co-dependency (even if that is the only way to stabilise a "ho into housewife" fantasy like this), but if this show were truly proto-fascist, do you think it would be using a main couple that are race-mixing?


lol @ ho into housewife fantasy
about the race-mixing... that's a point.
I guess they are not actively trying to sell a proto-fascist point, the writer is just incredibly uneducated, I guess.

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote: and his reputation is for putting characters through the wringer before delivering a happy ending (Stein's;Gate

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Of course this guy was responsible for Steins; Gate. That disgusting transphobic sexist show... That one at least had good direction.
This guy's world view is, frankly, despicable.


View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:What this is doing is playing off the red oni/blue oni motif.


What's that? I thought it was just a poor attempt to twist Gendou into a good person, we can be friends with.




View Original Postpwhodges wrote:As for Gainax, they’re currently doing a show about piano playing which is OK except the animation gets weak when they are rotoscoping actual players.


Gainax, the company is an empty shell of its former glory. All the amazing people have moved on. We were talking about the SPIRIT of Gainax.




I'm glad that some of you recognize the messages of this show as backwards and misguided as they are.
It's perfectly fine to show that for some people the nuclear heterosexual family with children is ok, but to imply that this, and just that, is the only way to break free from oppression is ludicrous. This idea that you have to choose the 1940s normie lifestyle or be unhappy, even if it goes against your natural disposison is kind of troubling, considering how many young people soak this stuff up... and especially if you consider the times we are in politically.

This show frames normed lifestyles as rebelling against the globalist elite. Rebelling against the fear that all the gays and unmarried will lead to the extinction of the human race? I mean, the fact that we live in times of an unprecedented exploding population, makes this whole argument invalid to begin with.

This show is the fascist antithesis to Utena in every regard, all the while daring to steal parts of the structure of the show. It's an affront, tbh. If Ikuhara was dead he'd rotate in his grave.

So yeah... But what makes this whole affair even funnier, is that the show is incompetent as fuck. There were a few high points, that have all but vanished. The sense of mystery evaporated into a show that is preoccupied with info dumping its plot, because it couldn't figure out how to tie it into the "how to raise a fascist youth Slice Of Life". The mech designs are great, but we rarely et to see them action. Supposedly all hell broke lose recently - it certainly doesn't feel that way, because everyone has time to stand around talking exposition to each other.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:33 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:What's that? I thought it was just a poor attempt to twist Gendou into a good person, we can be friends with.
Ah, I misunderstood who the antecedent of "include the rival into the cast" was. I thought you meant Code 002 who had consumed a hundred stamens, maybe more, and whose rival in love now supports her; rather than FranXX and his gratuitous Father's Day bit before the roof falls in. He never was a rival in any sense of the word (more like, Hiro was his inadvertent rival for klaxxohime's attention).
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Postby kuribo-04 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:16 pm

Code 002's final name is of course obvious when you consider her diet, and the fact that as a human by adoption, she only merits a gaijin name, albeit one that matches her use of "Darling".

Hyped for the Honey name drop lol.


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It really is pretty backwards that traditional pairings and family values are portrayed as rebellious.
Ikuno's confession to Ichigo seemed pretty well done to me, though it's true they didn't go much farther with that plot.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:45 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:Ikuno's confession to Ichigo seemed pretty well done to me, though it's true they didn't go much farther with that plot.


Yeah that's the issue I had with it, its like oh look here's a gay/bi character but we are only using her as a off shoot plot point and we won't follow through on her important comment about Franxx only being piloted by men and women and prove that they can be ie have a plot line that forces this issue in some way and has Papa shitting themselves as there backward ideals are in reality a huge lie and have been exposed and you can in reality have men/women or man/man or woman/woman as the combo they just kept it back because (You know power and sexist ideals towards both genders).
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Postby pwhodges » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:26 pm

More specifically, were we not shown the same sex pair as unable to connect in a FranXX?

At least we got a glimpse of some Nines who reversed the stamen/pistil relationship.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:54 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:More specifically, were we not shown the same sex pair as unable to connect in a FranXX?

At least we got a glimpse of some Nines who reversed the stamen/pistil relationship.


That's a really good point as when I watching and I saw the reverse roles with the Nines it made me think instantly that the Papa's were holding this back because it proves that women can reverse role as can men so switching to same sex would not be out of the question at all. As to me the only way to recover a lot of the crap in season S1 would be to have S2 be focused on breaking these ideals completely and this includes the male/female characters questioning if kids are what they need in a relationship.

As they may realize once Kokoro gives birth that she might be happy as a single parent and still be a great mum again ruining Papa's ideology
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Because her minds been wiped anyway so she has no idea who the father is
Like I ever since I watched Franxxs this has been playing on my mind for a while that S1 could be intentionally bad in its elements because it has a bigger picture in mind.

Which is setting up the bad ideas of sexuality, gender on purpose so it can go a full 360 in S2 as the seeds of Papa's leader ship skills are now in question in a huge way and like all bad leaders there about to watch all there sexist homophobic ideals falls by the way side. Because the nature of any bad regime is once it gets cracks everyone questions it in sociality and you can't stop the flood once people realize the truth.

Also this goes for Hero/Zero Two in that they might in S2 realize elements of there relationship are really unhealthy and try to fix them. Because right now its all based on the idea of the fairy tail book but what happens when the book completes and the real relationship work starts?
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Postby robersora » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:32 pm

Keep in mind that they are portrayed as perverse freaks for reversing the piloting constellation.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:08 am

Episode 22 - "Stargazer" : PV


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Up until now, our meals, our reason to live and where we die is given to us.

Ichigo wrote:Now it's ended, and we woke up from this long dream.
We will no longer return to being children, we chose that for ourselves.


Looks like this episode stands to 21 as 16 did to 15. Also heavily teasing a YuYuYu end.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:29 am

Might have know they were going to copy Asuka's wide eyed coma look for Zero Two. :shifty:
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Postby AR-99 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:24 am

They seem to be taking a bit too easy. At least we know the original Nana is back.

I suspect that Kokoro's reaction is due as much to no longer being able to function as the pistil as to official confirmation on her pregnancy dropping.
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Postby Blockio » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:01 pm

Going back to something that has briefly been touched upon earlier: The selective Franxxtrumentality. While I am not saying that it isnt a lazy plot device, there is one way of explaining it in-universe: Everyone who has been spared either still had the ability to reproduce or was somehow genetically related to Klaxosaurs. So unless I am forgetting some obscure side character here, everyone we saw getting VIRM'd was magma-neutered, while everyone we saw on screen afterwards wasnt.
Maybe the immortality treatment altered humans so much that the ones who didnt undergo it were not affected, and VIRM didnt think of/care about the few ones that were left over.
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Postby pwhodges » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:43 pm

You know, Darling in the FranXX has included some pretty unsatisfactory features, and has been poorly executed in many ways; but it has been quite a fun watch at times, and I'm also finding that it contains interesting ideas that I really want to see through to the end.

The combination of interest, cringeworthyness, poor pacing, and good spots makes it really the most frustrating series that I've ever watched.
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Postby Justacrazyguy » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:14 pm

Darling Episode 22:

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I wish there were a couple more episodes. The events placed in this episode needed more time to breathe. I suppose having everything happen at the same time does have its own suffocating effect, but I still would have preferred something else.

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