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Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:54 pm

Think about it, instead of wasting time cloning new beings from adams cells, why not just insert them into human soldiers, it would be less expensive, and you wouldn't have to worry about moody brats!
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby pwhodges » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:01 pm

And just how would person-sized super-soldiers be useful against beings the size of angels?
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pm

No, evas can still exist, i meant to fight in wars, like the ones against terrorists, i bet people around the globe would pay for them.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby Sachi » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:51 pm

The idea of Evas and Eva technology as weapons of war in a post-angel world is sort of played with in EoE, but moreso in the Rebuild films. We see them experimenting on Angels for technology, exploring the politics of the Vatican Treaty, creating the nemesis series and the Wunder, and finally Eva versus Eva warfare with Wille versus Nerv.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby Chuckman » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:16 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:And just how would person-sized super-soldiers be useful against beings the size of angels?


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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AuraTwilight » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:13 am

View Original PostVUX wrote:Think about it, instead of wasting time cloning new beings from adams cells, why not just insert them into human soldiers, it would be less expensive, and you wouldn't have to worry about moody brats!


I'm sure there's several reasons why NERV/SEELE don't want effectively a whole army of Tabris angels running around.

Namely, the only reason they could kill Tabris at all is because he let them.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AdamMalkovitch » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:09 am

This is a super interesting concept, I would've loved to have seen it explored in a spin-off manga (instead of wasting time and resources on trash like Angelic Days or Shinji Ikari Raising Project, which are essentially the exact same thing). With a ton of other "what if"s involving NERV, it's likely that their very limited budget, overseen by SEELE, acted as a leash, making absolutely certain that NERV would not be able to fight off the inevitable JSSDF invasion, a way to insure that NERV would ONLY be creating Evangelions and defending Lilith, and nothing else. Of course, I'm sure Gendo would've found a way to circumvent the budget, cut corners in order to build an army of best girl.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby robersora » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:18 am

The problem in defeating the Angels is not necessarily their size or strength compared to "normal" military equipment, but their AT field. That's why they use the Evas... So I don't think an army of average super soldiers would be able to neutralize the field.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Wouldn't they be effective against human enemies?
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AuraTwilight » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:20 pm

Yes, but so would a lot of other perfectly effective, more ethical, less expensive, and more easily controllable types of weapons and soldiers. Creating an army of super men each of whom is individually capable of ending the world is excessive overkill for a human enemy.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am

Couldn't angels be used as a resouce by humanity, like reverse engineering their s2 engines to become a source of power for every day appliances?
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby pwhodges » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:49 am

You mean, like Wille have already done by making Unit-01 the power source for the Wunder?
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AuraTwilight » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:48 pm

View Original PostVUX wrote:Couldn't angels be used as a resouce by humanity, like reverse engineering their s2 engines to become a source of power for every day appliances?


When S2 Engines malfunction, they vaporize entire cities.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby one-eyed » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:58 pm

In fact, it can open a black hole and swallow a city. This is what happened in NGE and in NTE. In Antartida and in the USA military base where the organ S2 was being removed from one of the angels.

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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:51 pm

Why not just create man sized evas, ones that are controled by AI, hell, they could replace human soldiers all together!
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby one-eyed » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:03 am

I do not think there are AIs in Eva's world. The two more sophisticated machines are Jet Alone and Magi, and they never shown sentience. The Evas are Cyborgs, Jet Alone was only a remote-controlled robot and Magi was a glorified calculator. (In EoE Magi gains consciousness and personality to save Gendo, but this is because of the Reality Bender Plot Armor of the bastard).

And an AT Field requires a soul and consciousness to be generated.

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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AdamMalkovitch » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:55 am

View Original Postone-eyed wrote:I do not think there are AIs in Eva's world. The two more sophisticated machines are Jet Alone and Magi, and they never shown sentience. The Evas are Cyborgs, Jet Alone was only a remote-controlled robot and Magi was a glorified calculator. (In EoE Magi gains consciousness and personality to save Gendo, but this is because of the Reality Bender Plot Armor of the bastard).

And an AT Field requires a soul and consciousness to be generated.


I think the idea here is that a mini Evangelion WOULD have a soul, possibly the soul of a previous soldier, and could be controlled by some type of modded, miniature Dummy Plug that can be overridden remotely and controlled manually. The only problem here is if the Dummy Plug malfunctioned and couldn't be overridden, because then you'd have either a human-sized Eva with the power of a god walking around, or just straight up Kaworu or Rei if it took on an S2 Engine like Unit 01 did with Zeruel's.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AuraTwilight » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:23 pm

View Original PostVUX wrote:Why not just create man sized evas, ones that are controled by AI, hell, they could replace human soldiers all together!


AT Fields are proportional to the size of the vessel projecting them, which is why the Evas had to be so big in the first place. Rei and Kaworu are the only exceptions because of their entirely unique souls.

Also, again, you don't want to have an entire race of people where each individual can single-handedly destroy the entire human race. That's asininely stupid.
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby VUX » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:44 pm

I'm not saying that they're as powerful as Kawaru and Rei, i'm saying that just a tiny bit of angel genetics could be put into them
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Re: Why did Nerv not make super soldiers

Postby AuraTwilight » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:33 am

Right, and I'm trying to explain that it simultaneously makes them next to useless against the Angels and makes them apocalyptically dangerous. They effectively would be Angels and would be capable of ending the entire world just by going down a particular elevator shaft.
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