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Postby Ray » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:14 pm

Another thing that's been bugging me about Isekai anime that I forgot to put in the original post. is the irresponsibility a lot of authors tend to have when it comes to the people the protagonist loves being left behind in our world.

In short. What about the parents? Namely, don't the protagonists ever ONCE give thought to the very real possibility that they'll never see their parents or their friends and family ever again? Something that always bugs the crap out of me about these kinds of stories. Especially when the main characters sucked into said fantasy world are kids or teens. Especially when said fantasy world is more towards the cynical side of the scale of idealism vs cynicism.
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:45 pm

Most of the time, protagonists of those series are NEETs, shut ins, social outcasts or straight up assholes, that have no one to connect them to the old world, so they can fully immerse themselves in a new sandbox, usually unbound by pesky laws and morality of their old dimension.
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Postby Ray » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:39 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:Most of the time, protagonists of those series are NEETs, shut ins, social outcasts or straight up assholes, that have no one to connect them to the old world, so they can fully immerse themselves in a new sandbox, usually unbound by pesky laws and morality of their old dimension.


Ever read "Lord Fouls Bane" By Stephen Donaldson and the sequel books "Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant"?
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It's not a Japanese light novel, it was written in the 70's at the height of a kind've renaissance of medieval fantasy literature in the US. But it takes the tropes inherent to the Isekai/Portal Fantasy genre and flips them on their heads.

Tom Covenant basically reacts the way an average reader of a fantasy novel would act if sucked into a fantasy world and given phenomenal power. He goes mad. His mind rejects the existence of the fantasy world and he writes the whole thing off as a vivid hallucination. (Not helped by the fact he was suffering from a terminal case of Leprosy before he came to the fantasy world and has every reason to believe he's died and gone to hell). Which is why when he discovers the magic powers his ex-wife's wedding ring gives him, he uses it to do awful things.

See also Asano from the 12 Kingdoms anime, and how he goes mad when he's separated from Yoko because he can't speak the language and has to steal and kill just to survive another day. He justifies his increasingly amoral actions to himself by believing the entire world is a game he has to win in order to go home.

This isn't dissimilar to how some characters in Isekai anime and light novels tend to react. The DIFFERENCE of course is that unlike in the Thomas Covenant books, unlike the case with Asano in 12 Kingdoms, unless they're an explicit deconstruction they usually don't portray what the amoral main characters are doing as anything wrong!

For example. Rising Shield Hero doesn't portray the protagonist taking a little Tanuki girl as his personal slave, and him using a magic spell to keep her in line when she disobeys as anything wrong! That's kind've messed up.
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:13 pm

Whoo boy. Shield Hero.

His approach to Raphtalia is the least of the gripes I have with him. Towards her and the rest of his slaves he at least have the virtue of trying to leave a world better for them once he's gone. And he actually tries to find a way back home.

But what i hate about him is that he practically never developes as a character. He stays static throughout all the novel. After princess betrays him, he becomes a callous dick. And STAYS THAT WAY. Every character in the novel, even the bafoonic heroes evolve as characters. Hell, even Malty changes along the way. For even more backstabbing and deranged but she does, and she's pretty much there only as a hate sink for Naofumi. He doesn't. He constantly also reminds us that he won't even try. At least every five chapters or so, he calls attention to one of his horrible vices, and then outright states that he has no intention of changing that. And yet everyone constantly gets hammered in the head that "he is right".

Another thing is that he constantly gripes how dirty, cruel and horrible is this world... While milking the system for all it's worth and for his personal vendetta does things that are outright monstrous. When Malty got sentenced to become a "wife" for a king known for his penchant for torture and snuff rapes, who is already stated to kill thousends of wives in his long life, she tries to commit suicide. Naofumi orders for her to be stopped and restrained, so she won't escape being tortured and raped to death.

And then he complains when the murderuous king considers him buddy buddy and sends him his snuff videos.

And pretty much only Raphtalia comments on his behaviour with a line or two, and it promptly gets ignored in favour of rfeminding everyone again that Naofumi gets shit done and everyone who disagrees with him is stupid and wrong.

This is not a flawed hero. This is GTA level of douchbaggery with more hypocrisy added.
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Postby Ray » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:23 pm

Malty got sentenced to become a "wife" for a king known for his penchant for torture and snuff rapes, who is already stated to kill thousends of wives in his long life, she tries to commit suicide. Naofumi orders for her to be stopped and restrained, so she won't escape being tortured and raped to death.

And then he complains when the murderuous king considers him buddy buddy and sends him his snuff videos.


HOLY SHIT. I only read the first book!
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:47 pm

But are we talking about Web Novel or Light Novel? I've read Web Novel translated. LN may be less... Brutal so to speak. But the scenes like I mentioned above? While they are barely few in the whole novel... Each one gets worse and more Saw-like.
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Postby Ray » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:53 pm

I read the first light novel and I didn't like it AT ALL.
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:04 pm

The manga seems to follow LN so I'm occasionally checking it for differences as new chapters come out and it seems more subdued in graphic violence. Also some new characters are introduced so I may stick around for them. Still, Naofumi remains one of the most unappealing and annoying protagonists I've seen. He's basically a crappy, edgelord self insert in a badfic.
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Postby Defectron » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:32 am

For a moment I thought this thread was about tube recommended the currently airing anime Isekai Shokudo. I checked it out because some guy on youtube recommended it, but every episode of the show is about the same thing. All this show is about is fantasy characters getting excited about eating food from earth. I mean I guess it's ok for what it is, but if you watch any episode of the show it's pretty much interchangable. Some fantasy character will find the restaurant, try ordering some food thats not available on their world and get all excited about how the food is good. It's not like in yaketate Japan where crazy shit happens when the character eats something good either, it's just like dwarf/elf/whatever sits down orders something, eats it and is like "Hey, this place is pretty good, you're getting a five star review from me!" that's every episode, it's just fantasy characters eating food and talking about how good the food is!
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Postby Ray » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:11 pm

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/vice-a ... 03/.122210

"How easy it is to make an Isekai Anime" (Slightly NSFW)

This is so accurate it hurts.
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Phew, I’m not tense anymore… now I’m just miserable.
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Postby Stillborn » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:43 pm

The part that actually hurts is that it would be more digestable than what I've seen so far (Overlord, Shield Hero, Re:Monster...)
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Postby Ray » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:21 pm

Overlord wasn't too bad. At least it acknowledges that the bad guy IS a bad guy. I'm like Shield hero where it doesn't treat the hero as a bad guy for doing the messed up things he does.
I’ll escape now from this world, from the world of Jean Valjean, Jean Valjean is nothing now! Another story must begin!
Avatar: "There's a Starman, waiting in the sky. He'd like to come and meet me, but he thinks he'd blow my mind."
Phew, I’m not tense anymore… now I’m just miserable.
People say "be yourself" but that's bad advice, if we were all to "be ourselves" many of us would stop wearing clothes. -Chuckman


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