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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:15 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Also silvermoonlight, Kevin Feige might be an old dinosaur relic that needs replacing, but at least he wasn’t the one who fired James Gunn.


I'm starting to feel differently about Gunn now as I heard his tweets being leaked came about through Mike Cernovich and if you read up on him he is a massively problematic MRA movement pusher and this the kind off narrow asshole, who claim's thing like date rape dose not exist. So imagine the irony that this prick is calling out Gunn for old tweets when this guy has been accursed of rape and is one of those guys who does all that predatory pick up artist crap.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:35 pm

The Gunn affair is pretty transparently an effort to damage #metoo by targeting a beloved master of nerd lore with accusations over old frivolities. It worked like a charm.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:42 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:The Gunn affair is pretty transparently an effort to damage #metoo by targeting a beloved master of nerd lore with accusations over old frivolities. It worked like a charm.


Yeah that's the bit of this story I really wasn't aware of because I know now that if I'd spent more time looking Mike Cernovich I would have changed my mind right away as I did hear his name but just didn't see the issue in full and its scary how well this worked and that this guy loves the current President.
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Postby movieartman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:32 am

Dark Phoenix trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbMckU3AOQ

Pros...
- Overall looks good.
- Love FassMags so much.
- Fassbender & Chastain are among my top favorite actors/actresses working today so I hope they have some interaction in the film.
- Music and emotional intensity are all on point.
- The flames being pulled back into Jean in the 2nd to last shot look appropriately savage almost like magma, I liked the death of Apocalypse but Jean's Phoenix in that film didn't seem intense or powerful enough visually.
- Jennifer Lawrence doesn't seem to be getting much focus (I liked her as Mystique but feel her story was done with Dofp)

Cons...
- Too many beats seem lifted right from Last Stand.
- The big set piece effects probably aren't done but as is it looks too grounded & small scale (1 of the creators previously stated such was the intent after for some reason taking away from Apocalypse's reception that it's scale being big & global was a flaw :facepalm: )
- Sad the X-Men aren't using their uniforms from the very end of Apocalypse.

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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:39 am

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:Dark Phoenix trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbMckU3AOQ


This is second time I've seen them go for the Phoenix is a split personalty brought on by mental health (Which is really insulting if you have mental health issues its like saying your dangerous) and its starting to annoy me big time as in the comics Jean Grey is exposed to the deadly radiation of a solar flar its pure accident and causes her powers to increase and in the 80's run Jean and the Phoenix become separate beings and I worry that there just gonna run this saga like the classic once again and kill Jean anyway because lazy writing will win out.

Side note this is rumoured to have had reshoots which I consider a very bad sign.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:23 am

There’s a spoiler synopsis going aroupnd that strongly differentiates this from X3.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:14 am

Not that I expect this - quite likely the last Fox X-Men movie** before they're rebooted into the MCU - to be any good but to be fair towards the production EVERY big budget blockbuster has reshoots. Usually to add in character moments or small action beats here and there. It's very common. Dark Phoenix, to date, has been a very common production. It's written into contracts that actors need to be available for reshoots if required. Someone somewhere just started a "they're reshooting the entire movie" rumor for attention and the internet did what it does best - take an unsubstantiated rumor and spread it around so much it becomes an alternative fact.

Mind you, I don't expect the film to be good - all the X-Men movies aside from The Wolverine, First Class & Logan are merely "okay" - but a rumor started by a bunch of DC or MCU fanboys who have this weird animosity towards live action cartoons not made by their company.

http://collider.com/x-men-dark-phoenix- ... explained/

Anywho, movie looks "okay". I'm curious to see what Jessica Chastain will do and this one should have a real sense of finality since this will be the end for the Fox X-Men. I, of course, also find it absolutely hilarious that this movie takes place in the 1990s & that Professor X & Magneto haven't aged a day since First Class which was set during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962! Age will catch up with when they both age from supremely fit Michael Fassbender & James McAvoy into Ian McKellan & Patrick Stewart a decade later circa 2000.

High point: Michael Fassbender delivering the line "You're always sorry Charles" is pure gold. He continues to be the one truly excellent element best in these films.

**One could argue The Dark Mutants is the last Fox X-Men movie but no one has an idea what's going on with that film. Now THAT movie is having post production woes with multiple reshoot sessions, new CG characters added in post, delays of over a year & a half, etc. Honestly, I'm still expecting the film to become a Disney Streaming title in the near future.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:04 pm

I doubt that Disney will reboot X-Men straight into the MCU. More likely they’ll do it in ten years time as part of a great multiversal mash up that lets them recast seasoned characters as well as develop new ones.

If I had to guess there will be a separate rebooted Disney X-Verse and whether it ends up merging with the MCU depends on whether it turns out like the Marvel or like Mouse Wars. They’ll hedge their bets and just let it lay if it’s going to oversaturate. Even if they don’t develop it as a film series, owning it is sensible from a business perspective- no more Marvel characters competing with Marvel franchises.

X-Men would be better for their streaming services prestige show plans. The nature of the property with a large cast of rotating characters makes more sense for a long form serial drama than a series of movies, which by necessity end up focusing on a small core cast and reduce everyone else to cameos.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:54 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:I doubt that Disney will reboot X-Men straight into the MCU. More likely they’ll do it in ten years time as part of a great multiversal mash up that lets them recast seasoned characters as well as develop new ones.

That's more like how Netflix would do it, which is a good idea, mind you. I just think, like Star Wars, Disney will be paying way too much money on Fox's loot to feel comfortable just sitting on that property for that long.

That being said, Fox is more than just the X-Mwn + Deadpool. They'd have OG Star Wars rights before Fox would have lost those rights in 2020 anyway, and then there's all that Alien & Predator merch to milk. I can't wait for the Disney version of Ridley Scott's next installment in the Alien series. (Actually that sounds horrible, and Disney will probably make X-Men movies within the next three years tops since its Fox's most like-minded film franchise outside of potential OG Star Wars Blu-rays.)

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:59 pm

There’s so much else to exploit as part of the Fox deal it’s crazy.

Since our corporate overlords don’t care what sets think and this happens if it destroys culture or not, I hope we finally get some nice clean releases of the unmolested Star Wars films.

Some theatrical rereleases would be nice too. If they did it every year I’d probably go. The originals are good.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:12 pm

Disney might reboot Home Alone, that I could see. And they might actually provide a more substantial boost in helping James Cameron along with his Avatar movies. (Also, I just realized that they bought back The Chronicles of Narnia and Doctor Dolittle from Fox in this deal, that's hilarious!) I can't imagine them having much interest in Ace Age outside of maybe television productions for Disney XD or something like that. (If they do The X-Files in the style of Gravity Falls, I'm down for it!) I really don't know how viable ID4 is as a franchise, seeing as how it'll probably rely heavily on (the less-then-great) director Roland Emmerich, and the sequel wasn't even that good anyway.

I also don't know how viable the Maze Runner franchise is. Percy Jackson might be rebooted entirely as competition for WB's Fantastic Beasts movies, as I can't imagine Disney touching Narnia ever again after Prince Caspian, seeing as they actively shoved it off to Fox to begin with.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:35 pm

The ID4 sequel was an atrocity. It should be against the Geneva convention. It has no redeeming qualities and it reminded me that Reese Witherspoon has an adult child who is a professional actress, causing me to leave the theater with a temporary ennui.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:59 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Disney might reboot Home Alone, that I could see. And they might actually provide a more substantial boost in helping James Cameron along with his Avatar movies. (Also, I just realized that they bought back The Chronicles of Narnia and Doctor Dolittle from Fox in this deal, that's hilarious!) I can't imagine them having much interest in Ace Age outside of maybe television productions for Disney XD or something like that. (If they do The X-Files in the style of Gravity Falls, I'm down for it!) I really don't know how viable ID4 is as a franchise, seeing as how it'll probably rely heavily on (the less-then-great) director Roland Emmerich, and the sequel wasn't even that good anyway.

I also don't know how viable the Maze Runner franchise is. Percy Jackson might be rebooted entirely as competition for WB's Fantastic Beasts movies, as I can't imagine Disney touching Narnia ever again after Prince Caspian, seeing as they actively shoved it off to Fox to begin with.


Can I just say that I don't want Disney to reboot Home Alone because a Disney problem is toning down adult themes and violence and the point of Home Alone is its like a Looney toons or tom and jerry cartoon but in real life and the villains get kicked to high heaven its part of what makes it fun. This is also why The Chronicles of Narnia series crashed and burned because when ever they showed sword like medieval battles its with out any blood and they just look so laughable and unrealistic when compared to LOTR which nailed that format.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:31 am

Realistic blood and CS Lewis don’t really go together.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:04 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Realistic blood and CS Lewis don’t really go together.


True I get its a kids book but the reality is that in the first book they strip a lion of a his mane and stab him as sacrifice on a stone table before he was reborn and that whole idea was based on Jesus being put on the cross as the CW Lewis was really region heavy from what I've heard so there are very adult undertones in that which the first Narina film utterly failed to pick up on and i'm saying show heads getting hacked off but but at least show bloody swords even if you have to coat them in black blood because I get the difficulty with showing red in kids stuff.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:08 am

C. S. Lewis liked the sacrificial scene, but not so much the battle scene. Both Disney’s Narnia and Jackson’s Hobbit 3 suffer from trying to use battle scenes to compete with LotR, when both children’s books distanced themselves from their respective battle scenes and had then all relayed to the readers through a second-hand retelling of the battles. Bilbo was out cold for the Battle of Five Armies and had to have the accounts recounted for him, and Susan and Lucy missed the battle when they witnessed Aslan’s sacrifice and had to have the battle recounted to them by other characters. (I forget if it was their brothers or the forest animals who recounted the battle to them.)

The answer to both films would be to not compete with LotR using children’s stories, and thusly to not focus on the battles of their respective stories.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:06 pm

Studio must have some confidence in the Dark Phoenix film.
They just pushed the movie back to a June 8, 2019 release date. The very center of the summer. Not a place you move a movie you have no faith in.
Alita: Battle Angel though has been pushed from December 21, 2018 to a Valentine's Day 2019 release taking Dark Phoenix's old release date.

Taking Alita's old date? An Untitled Deadpool Movie.
Early talk is it could be a PG-13 re-cut of Deadpool 2. Haven't seen the film myself - no thank you - but I heard they shot the film so it could work as an R & a PG-13. They do a little reshoot - add a meta prologue & epilogue I'm sure, complete with new teaser for whatever they have planned next - and boom, they're done.
Which honestly makes sense to me since Disney/Marvel are fully intending to merge all the X-Men characters into the MCU over the course of the next few years & while every other character is going to be recast - I fully expect a new Wolverine will be cast by 2020- they don't intend to get rid of Ryan Reynolds. BUT they do want to make him a PG-13 character. A re-release of PG-13 Deadpool 2 would be an ideal way to test the idea.

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:32 pm

If you haven't seen Deadpool 2 you're missing out on the best performance of Brad Pitt's career.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:08 pm

^ Oh, hell yeah!

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:26 pm

Also hopefully Marvel will take a page from their own successes and focus on un/underused X-Men characters.

I'd like to see Mister Sinister in the movies, that'd be fun.
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