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Postby Ray » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:03 pm

It's not appropriate to be upset when the biggest pop culture icon in the history of the world is being left to rot on the wayside while effing ANT MAN gets a multi million dollar critically acclaimed movie?
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Postby El Squibbonator » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:55 pm

You. . . really hate Marvel, don't you?
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Postby pwhodges » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:20 pm

I have never seen a single one of the movies discussed in this thread, and I am perfectly happy about it. I wonder if there's a correlation. :tongue:
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Postby Guy Nacks » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:37 pm

I'm getting fever-visioned flashbacks of the times when TDSA could do nothing but vent about how he got kicked out of the Toho Kingdom forums; his entire posting persona degrading into some form of Biblical malaise after getting cast out of what, for him, was Internet Eden.

That is the level of ridiculousness that your constant complaining about DC and Marvel is rapidly approaching.
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Postby Chuckman » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:41 pm

We must step back and remember the proper place of these movies of manly men in manly pants in out hearts, lest we be led astray into a barren land of fanboy wars and shipping battles where WonderBats and TonyCap fanatics assail each other with weaponized uguu, far removed from the sight of God.

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Postby Ray » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:05 am

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:You. . . really hate Marvel, don't you?


Contrary to popular belief. No. I don't. I just wish their success didn't come at the expense of my preferred Brand of Superhero. I just wish they didn't have a Monopoly on the entire genre at the expense of everyone else.

At this point. I'm ready to throw in the towel and say maybe Disney buying DC and having a Monopoly on the entire Superhero Genre might not be such a bad thing.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:59 am

You said that these movies DC was making would not be recovered from. That's what YOU said. And El Squibbonator just demonstrated those movies were successful. I gave you examples of movies that would have destroyed an IP, and those are now some of the most marketable and successful film IPs on the planet.

You are not making a realistic assessment of this situation.
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Postby El Squibbonator » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:51 pm

Forget it, Gob. Let him think what he wants. We're fighting a losing battle here.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:10 pm

I'm not a huge fan of Marvel movies but even to me they seem like they are in decline like there just trying to throw out the last sets of films possible as they know the end is over the horizon.
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Postby Ray » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:21 pm

It wasn't Marvel Studios fault for Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider. It was Warner Brothers fault for steel and Catwoman and BVS and JL. And guess who's still in charge of DC and who isn't still in charge of the Fantastic Four?

And before you say "Muh Dark Knight trilogy" "Muh Wonder Woman movie" those were the exceptions not the rule that barely got past Warner Brothers executives because they were too busy messing with other movies they saw as more important at the time.

And neither of those will be able to salvage the DCU from the mess it's dissoloved into.

there's only one first time you can get things right. When you fail to get the first big movie with Batman and Superman on the big screen right? What Should have been a defining moment cinematic history instead becomes something they'll have to flagellate themselves over forever

Even if they can release a few critically successful movies. They will still have a superhero Universe with a Batman that's too old and has all the good stories behind him, a universe where the death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns both happened in the same movie which doesn't give us much to look forward to. We still have a Superman whose entire hope and optimism shtick comes off as emotionally and intellectually dishonest ( frankly I would have at least prefer they commit to the dark and Moody Superman they set up in Man of Steel and bvs rather than throwing that out the window with Justice League without having the character go through anything resembling in Arc). We still have a Cinematic Universe where Jimmy Olsen and mercy graves are dead before they could do anything in the story. We still have a Lex Luthor and an Aquaman nobody likes.

DC needs a fresh start to imitate Marvel style if for nothing else so that they can at least remain relevant. but they aren't going to get it, so we're just going to have to live with the mistakes we've made forever.

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success is a relative thing and if they aren't as successful as Marvel is (and they probably never will be) then what's the point even bothering? The fact Superman can't compete with d-list characters from Marvel's library is an embarrassment.

Factoring the ad campaigns in addition to what's considered the official budget gives a much more realistic view of whether or not a movie is considered profitable or not.

Also

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According to deadline Hollywood. Phenomenally bad comedian and actress Kristen Wiig is being considered for Wonder Woman 2. wHere's your god now?
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Postby El Squibbonator » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:36 pm

All right, you've made your point. Seriously, this is derailing the thread and making it nigh-impossible to read.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:24 pm

Infinity War moved to April 27th.

I'm pretty hyped for this movie.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:34 pm

Marvel also just dated their next theatrical release calendar through to 2022.
So for nerds in the know the future is -

Avengers: Infinity War - April 27, 2018
Ant-Man & the Wasp - July 6, 2018
Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019
Avengers 4 - May 3, 2019
Spider-Man Homecoming 2 - July 5, 2019
Untitled Marvel - May 1, 2020 (probably Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3)
Untitled Marvel - August 7, 2020
Untitled Marvel - November 6, 2020
Untitled Marvel - May 7, 2021
Untitled Marvel - July 30, 2021
Untitled Marvel - November 5, 2021
Untitled Marvel - February 18, 2022 ($2,022 this is Black Panther 2)
Untitled Marvel - May 6, 2022 . (Avengers 5? Or whatever their new Team-Up Mega Franchise is)
Untitled Marvel - July 29, 2022

So yeah. It's a Marvel/Disney world. We just live in it. Most of these will be just okay. One or two might even be great. All will be overrated in general.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:47 pm

It would be awesome if they let the Avengers rest and do the Defenders... wait shit they used that name for TV for a team with none of the actual Defenders on it and all the Defenders are on the movie Avengers roster anyway.

I wonder if any of that includes plans for the inevitable integration of the X-Men and Fantastic Four?

I really, really hope they make a bold move and throw in some multiversal shenanigans to bring in a middle aged FF and X-Men cast.

They've been inching up the comicbookness of each movie so far, hopefully by 2020 they're keeping it fresh with some really wacky shit and space adventures. I enjoyed Ragnarok but I was a little disappointed they sent Hulk into space to bring him right back to Earth with the whole Planet Hulk thing as a side story for Thor.

I'm also disappointed that Jeff Goldblum didn't wear a mecha suit to fight the Hulk, which I'm sure would bring about world peace.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:04 pm

Marvel’s been getting wackier as they go. Doctor Strange was kinda the start of that.
Problem I find is that no matter how wacky they get content wise (Guardians 2 & Thor: Ragnarok while so-so movies sure were out there in some ways) just because of what the films are they’ll never really go all the way. They’ll get wacky but never uncomfortable or inspiring & ultimately they’re craziest of ideas will still be render mute by the polished CG aesthetic they’ve got going on now.
Even their best movie - yes, Black Panther is the best Marvel movie - had to rein in its sense of identity at the end for a tired third act CG action set piece. Thankfully the emotional stakes were there even though the final action set piece kinda blew.


I don’t know comics but even I would like to see a Ms Marvel movie with a spunky Muslim lead heroine.

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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:06 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:I don’t know comics but even I would like to see a Ms Marvel movie with a spunky Muslim lead heroine.


That will be the film that they have lined up for the 11/6/2020 release date.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:11 pm

That would be nice.

Honestly, I’m just terrified which of these dates is for BUCKY BARNES: HE’S AN AWFUL CHARACTER WITH NO REDEEMABLE TRAITS AND IS INCREDIBLY BORING BUT HE GETS A MOVIE (The Movie).

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Postby El Squibbonator » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:06 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:That will be the film that they have lined up for the 11/6/2020 release date.


Took me a while to get that. In all seriousness, Marvel could make a big-budget remake of that awful Howard the Duck movie, and still expect a return on their investment.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:19 am

I’m curious about Wiig potentially landing a villain role. I don’t remember her in the Martian (as I don’t remember the Martian) and I haven’t seen Mother!
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:05 am

I found Black Panther to be the most rewarding Marvel movie, but for reasons that have almost nothing to do with the narrative itself.

See, back in the year 2000, The Gladiator came out, starring Russel Crowe and directed by Ridley Scott. It was a pretty great movie for the most part. We got to see Crowe fight tigers and gladiators in a sword-and-sandal movie. Also, there was a nice story about Crowe's character wanting to return to his family. And with Scott directing, every shot was going to be a beautiful tapestry of visual delight.

Anyway, when I watched the behind-the-scenes features of the movie, I found out that there was originally going to be a rhino fight in the movie. Russel Crowe vs a rhinoceros! HOW COOL IS THAT?! Ridley wanted to accomplish the scene with a "trained rhino," which are things that don't exist in reality. They could have done it with CGI, but that would have cost over $1 Million just for the scene alone, and Ridley's movies being "Designer Brand" movies of sorts ()that's what my sister calls them, anyway) nothing less than the best was going to do. So, they just scrapped the scene entirely for reasons of cost.

Fast-forward to the year 2006 and the movie 300. The Persians are fighting the Spartans in this movie for reasons that really just boil down to someone wanting to see 2 straight hours of slow-motion violence. I personally found it the actively reusing the pacing and the adrenaline rush I seek while watching action movies.

But, wait! What is that? Far in the distance? It's cast a shadow! Symbol of our freedom! Will bring us salvation! THIS MOVIE HAS RHINOS IN IT! AND THE PERSIANS ARE GOING TO FIGHT THE SPARTANS WITH THEM!!! 8 years waiting, and I finally get to see a rhino fight! We see the camera behind one of the Spartans as the rhino charges at him --...oooooh, this is going to be so INTENSE!-- the camera tracks down behind the Spartan's back......!!!!!!!! And then the camera clears the other side of the Spartan and we just see the rhino already dead with an arrow stuck in its eye.

I. Felt. So. Cheated. I've been wanting to see this scene since The Gladiator, and Snyder ruins it in an adrenaline-haulting slow-motion shot that objectively hides all of the action and seriously looks disgusting.

Fast-forward to the year 2014, with the Amazing Spider-Man 2. The Rhino is in this movie. There were trailers that promised him fighting Spider-Man. Sure, The Rhino looks mechanical, and this movie is about as tedious to sit through as it would to be covered by ticks while being asked to perform sexual pleasures on Donald Trump. But hey, I might finally get to see my rhino fight after 14 goddamn years. Let's give this a shot.

It's a long and mind-numbingly boring 2 hours and 20 minutes into the movie. The Rhino finally shows up, and, after a pitifully long amount of time of the main character mostly just moping around harder than even Henry Cavil in BvS, Spider-Man shows up too. The two charge at each other-... but I already feel it in my gut. There is no rhino fight in this movie either. The last shot in the trailer was also the last shot in the movie. Hard cut to black. Roll end credits. Toss all of the tables in the house (because I didn't go to theaters for this one).
Fuck. This. Movie.

Skip past 2016's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows, because Bebop and Rocksteady are only going to provide typical punching scenes and utilize none of the uniqueness of an actual rhino fight. Also, screw Micheal Bay and everything he touches. Hard. With shares of a broken wine bottle.

Then finally, in the year 2018, I'm in a darkened theater watching Black Panther, and it's getting to the end of an already decent Marvel movie. AND THE MOVIE BUSTS OUT THEIR FLIPPIN' RHINOS!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rhinos fill the screen. Literal, actual, multiple TONS of (CGI) rhinos fill the screen, flooding every pixel of the projector, hitting every retina of my eyeball, every sound coming at me in surround sound and shaking me to the core of my very being. And they were FIGHTING. They were attacking our heroes and escalating an already crazy situation to OVER 11. It was intense. It was long sought after. It was something that I needed in order to spiritually move on, and it came upon me in the glory of a superhero version of The Lion King. After 18 long years, I can finally see the rhino fight that was teased at me way back in the special features of The Gladiator movie.

I feel satisfied like I haven't felt by a schlocky superhero movie, in ways that schlocky superhero movies shouldn't satisfy me. My long and arduous journey in the search of the rhino fight scene has finally ended, and I can, at long last, rest contentedly.

Also, Micheal B. Jordan was good as Vegeta, and it was a blast to see Andy Serkis' actual face having the most fun on the set of literally any movie ever.
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