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Postby Ray » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:40 am

http://screenrant.com/deadpool-2-new-mu ... d-filming/

Production is done on both Deadpool 2 And New Mutants.

I'm curious as to what they're going to do for New Mutants, I haven't seen a single thing connected to that leaked. No set leaks, no teaser trailer, nothing.

I'm hoping that when it comes out I can be pleasantly surprised.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:48 am

Ray wrote:I'm curious as to what they're going to do for New Mutants, I haven't seen a single thing connected to that leaked. No set leaks, no teaser trailer, nothing.

No leaks? It must be pretty bad then, otherwise they would be trying to upsell it with adverts everywhere. I wonder if they think not putting anything out there will increase the hype, hoping to pull in as much $$$ as they can before people realizes it sucks. I couldn't even find a poster for it.

Although, I am looking forward to Deadpool 2, hoping for the Godfather Part 2, or ESB effect on a sequel.
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Postby Ray » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:44 pm

First Image of the New Hellboy movie is out

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I like how they made the hand a hexagon. Makes sense since he is the son of a devil. Otherwise though, not much different. Which is good, don't fix what ain't broke.
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Postby movieartman » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:45 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:I'm curious as to what they're going to do for New Mutants, I haven't seen a single thing connected to that leaked. No set leaks, no teaser trailer, nothing.

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:No leaks? It must be pretty bad then, otherwise they would be trying to upsell it with adverts everywhere. I wonder if they think not putting anything out there will increase the hype, hoping to pull in as much $$$ as they can before people realizes it sucks. I couldn't even find a poster for it.

It's still 8 months away.

I had no interest in it until I discovered it's going to be a horror movie apparently adapting the demon bear story line.
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Postby movieartman » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:11 am

The Punisher trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIY6zFL95hE

Them having him go up against the CIA is interesting, but him taking out agents seems out of character as he has no way of knowing which of them are involved in curruption or just sent to take him out for being a vigilante.
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Postby Sachi » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:06 pm

I like the remix of Metallica's One in the trailer. Very well done. Especially when they match the bullets to the snare rolls.
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Postby Ray » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:45 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJrVIa4ZS ... e=youtu.be

Description of scene involving Superman in JL leaked by someone who saw it.

Let us be completely honest with ourselves no matter what they do with Superman in justice league it's going to piss someone off. No matter what you do with Superman, you just can't make people happy.

The main issue many  (myself included) have with the “idealist Kansas boy” Superman: It’s so in the past, we no longer live in that world. We no longer live in the naive days of the 50s or even the 90s. How a Superman in today’s world refines himself into the Man of Tomorrow, that’s the story we need.

There is a difference between "course correction" and OVER correction.

Of course, having a proper mature idealist Superman is good and all, but what about the journey to that Superman? That’s why I feel insulted when someone blabbers about how this current  Superman being "dark" is a bad thing. No one is perfect from the start.

Personally I think 'soft rebooting' Supes like it looks like they're doing here is kindve cheap. having a Superman actually mature and develop into who he is in the comics would more emotionally and intellectually honest. But what else can you expect from DC at this point?
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Postby Chuckman » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:10 pm

Being good for the sake of good isn't being naive.

But let's not do this again.

The issue with Superman in the DCCU is that they're lazy. These movies take Clark from confused boy trying to understand himself to silent secret hero to public figure to target of fear and ridicule to 'died for our sins' between cuts in the films.

Batman gets whole movies focused around developing his character. Yes, a Superman movie needs screen time for the spectacle, but what characterizes these movies is a lack of faith in the character of Superman. They conceded the argument to your beliefs that the Big Blue Boy Scout is obsolete somehow without even trying.

I don't know if it's Snyder's voice, or that he drew mostly from MIller, but the DCCU Superman seems pretty rooted in Frank Miller's DKR, and Miller's version of Superman is a super-strawman foil who's written specifically to represent Miller's fascistic view of a mid-80's Reagan conservative as not harsh and draconian enough in dealing with crime and issues of manliness. Unfortunately we've got a variant of Miller's Batman too, who is a walking icon of toxic masculinity. Far be it from a guy who dedicates his life to helping people at great personal cost to actually demonstrate any compassion.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:23 pm

Idealized Superman works best as a character because he's a reconstruction of humanity. Batman works best as a character because he's a deconstruction of humanity.

Batman V Superman works against itself by having both characters become deconstructions of humanity. Man of Steel is guilty by association, mostly for not building up to Superman learning how to be a reconstruction of humanity prior to Batman V Superman.

Suicide Squad works against itself simply because it's premise works against its own built-in logic.

Wonder Woman is amazing because she's finally the reconstruction of humanity that Batman needed to be offset by the whole time. Batman V Superman would have worked a whole lot better if it were Batman V Wonder Woman instead. It would actually retroactively redeem Man of Steel to have Superman sit out much of Batman V Wonder Woman, internally dealing with the destruction he inadvertently caused during the last movie, only to come back in action towards the end and help Batman and Wonder Woman save the day, sacrificing himself in the process. Batman and Wonder Woman would look at Superman's sacrifice, decide that they need to get over whatever hang up that would have been contrived by the writers and the studio for them to have, and decide to build a Justice League for the sake of selling movie merchandise from- I mean.... for the good of humanity.

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Postby Ray » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:59 pm

@Chuckman

There's a bunch of nuance to your discussion that I don't have time to go into right now so for now I'll just leave it with this.

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Postby Chuckman » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:29 pm

@freaky

I like what you're thinking here but there hasn't been enough time with Clark to build the connection and character. They made the number one superhero movie mistake with him, by rushing to an iconic antagonist.

He deserved what Nolan gave Batman: an origin movie that explores who he is and why he does what he does with antagonist who's actually secondary to the hero, followed by a full film dedicated to exploring the growth of the hero side.

Like I said above, the Superman movies we wanted/needed exist only as montages within two lesser movies.

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Asking Frank Miller what fascism is is like asking a fish what air is. You're not going to get a usefull answer.

I dislike his definition of Batman and I think Batman could be an entirely different kind of hero and so far there hasn't been a serious live action exploration of the possibilities of the character. Miller and Batman '89 defined him as a cruel vigilante with serious mental health problems and barely contained murderous urges. There are other ways Batman can be explored that don't depend on him being fueled entirely by negative emotions.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:11 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:I don't know if it's Snyder's voice, or that he drew mostly from MIller, but the DCCU Superman seems pretty rooted in Frank Miller's DKR, and Miller's version of Superman is a super-strawman foil who's written specifically to represent Miller's fascistic view of a mid-80's Reagan conservative as not harsh and draconian enough in dealing with crime and issues of manliness.

He was a military tool only to be used off American soil.
He wasn't being used to oppress regular Americans like haters of this interpretation like to pretend he was.

He sacrificed his free will so that he would be allowed to continue saving countless people & so that his fellow heroes would not be killed, which to him Is more important then his own personal freedom. That is a heroic sacrifice.

It's like you guys completely skipped over his narration in the book (and that the animated adaption removed completely like dicks).

And stopping vigilantes from operating isn't fascist. Are current American laws against taking the law into your own hands fascist? And DCEU Clark stopping a vigilante from torturing criminals & getting them killed in prison while giving him 1 more chance to retire sure as hell isn't fascist.

I don't see notable similarities between DKR Superman and DCEU Superman beyond the fact that both inhabit darker worlds and both have compromised for the greater good (DKR giving up his free will, Dceu staying hidden for many years even when it cost him his dad)

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Postby El Squibbonator » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:06 pm

Speaking of DC superhero movies, apparently Teen Titans Go is getting a movie next year. For those of you who don't know, Teen Titans Go is a mediocre-to-awful animated TV series supposedly based on the Teen Titans (though it has a lot more in common with such things as Ren and Stimpy or Cow and Chicken). Needless to say, Teen Titans Go is not popular with fans of the original comic books or the 2003 cartoon, and it doesn't help that Cartoon Network airs it many times a day. Nor does the fact that the show often pokes fun at said older incarnations of the series.

That being said, I am genuinely curious about how the movie will do. Movies based on kids' cartoons have a rather spotty record at the box office, and this one is coming out shortly after Hotel Transylvania 3 and on the same day as Mission Impossible 6.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:02 pm

Well, that's clearly a money grab for all the kids that actually watch that show to death. Teen Titans Go doesn't hold a candle to the original show, which was probably my favorite super hero cartoon next to Batman The Animated Series and Batman Beyond
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Postby Ray » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:04 pm

https://batman-news.com/2017/09/28/dann ... ce-league/

Danny Elfman is bringing back the classic Superman theme for Justice League.

I just hope it's Incorporated with the Has Zimmer music somehow. Because I feel this is the pendulum swinging too far in the opposite direction to soon.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:05 pm

The pendulum needs to swing so far back that it breaks the glass and releases the rest of the imprisoned D.C. characters. Watching Wonder Woman be her free, righteous self was awe inspiring and amazing, we need to Make Superman Great Again as well.

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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:00 pm

That sounds like there are some references to it within a larger score rather than the old theme being adopted for the new Superman.

Though, truth be told, I wouldn't mind. I hate Hans Zimmer's superhero scores and think they sound like a lifeless wall of drums with no clear theme for each character, which is something they need, especially in an ensemble piece.

This, however, will remain my favorite Superman theme, most likely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHpOVBEXCxM

The DCCU could learn a lot from the DCAU. They managed to make the characters unique and complex and gave Batman and Superman moral challenges and 'dark' storylines without being obnoxious about it. Plus whatever over-designed insult to Jack Kirby design they choose for Darkseid will never top the simplicity of his depiction there.

One of my favorite things about Marvel (esp. Thor) is all the homages to Kirby's aesthetic, but like the DCCU the Marvel movies have weak scores, the main exception being Iron Man, and that's just from Black Sabbath. Who can hum the theme for any of the other MCU/DCCU characters?

Edit: Elfman can get a little repetitive too, especially when he's working with Burton, but he created iconic themes for Batman and Spider-Man that fit the characters very well. (As much as I love the Wonder Woman theme it only seems to capture half of her personality)

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Postby Ray » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:24 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:The pendulum needs to swing so far back that it breaks the glass and releases the rest of the imprisoned D.C. characters.


How is the DCEU "imprisoning " anyone?

Again if DC absolutely has to push the pendulum so far back it becomes silver is ridiculous or nobody can take the stakes seriously. Where we have stupid ridiculous silver age idiocy like Mxyptlx. I would at least prefer them to do it gradually over the course of several movies rather than whatever the hell it is they're planning to do here.


The DCCU could learn a lot from the DCAU.

They managed to make the characters unique and complex and gave Batman and Superman moral challenges and 'dark' storylines without being obnoxious about it.


You can get away of a lot more ridiculous stuff in a cartoon then you can in a live-action film.

Do you honestly think of mainstream movie-going audience would be willing to give characters like Hawk and Dove and Bwana Beast a chance?

Plus whatever over-designed insult to Jack Kirby design they choose for Darkseid will never top the simplicity of his depiction there.


why do you feel a need to be mean-spirited about everything? DC has already prostrated themselves enough I feel they're going to probably keep darkseid similar to the design he is in the comics.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:00 pm

Hawk and Dove and Bwana Beast are in the last season of JL:U, which was made after the production team completed their vision, which had been carried through B:TAS, S:TAS, Static Shock, The Zeta Project,and the two JL shows. When the show got a surprised renewal after its expected cancellation and finale episode, they made a season long joke episode/homage fest... and you know what? It was great. It showcased the fantastic ways comics can be bizarre and fun and different.

Even then, there had been a 15 year franchise of serious, heavy adaptations and original stories that speak to children without talking to them and appeal to adults without self deprecation.

If you're going to talk about the DCAU, talk about Heart of Ice, Feat of Clay, The Laughing Fish, The Forgotten, Over the Edge (you want dark? how about an episode that begins with Scarecrow throwing Batgirl off a skyscraper and shows her hitting the windshield of Commisioner Gordon's car from the inside!), Showdown, The Demon's Head, The Man Who Killed Batman, Apokalipse Now!, Legacy, Identity Crisis, The Late Mr. Kent, etc. I could go on. It's actually easier to list the bad episodes, since there's only a handful of real stinkers.

Burton, in the article linked above, makes a really solid point: These movies are going way too far in trying to differentiate themselves from what has come before. They could learn a lot from previous adaptations and the actual comics they're adapting, besides the ones Frank Miller, may he forever walk on lego, wrote.

Oh, and Myxzy? Seriously? Haven't you ever read For The Man Who Has Everything?

I think it's a great shame for them to take this wild and beautiful imaginary universe full of gods and monsters and heroic struggles and wars and sacrifices and epic journeys and evil gods and lizardmen in the hollow earth and space police with magic rings and condense it into film in the form of a bunch of thick jawed pituitary mutants brooding in the rain.

Edit: Especially when over on the other side the Esteemed Competition has the nuts to put fuckin' Ego the Living Planet in one of their movies.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:39 am

View Original PostRay wrote:How is the DCEU "imprisoning " anyone?

Chuckman is detailing it pretty well, so I'm not gonna get on his way explaining it. Just know that we're watching a bunch of movies where only one superhero out of 3 is allowed to be free enough to have a distinctive personality beyond basterdized Batman angst.


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