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Postby movieartman » Mon May 22, 2017 10:09 pm

Last thread reached page 100, so I thought I would create a new thread.
thread/16318/Superhero-Films-and-TV/

What we have coming up for anyone not following the other thread...

Avengers - Infinity War - May 4th - 2018...

Thor - Ragnarok - Nov 3rd...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7MGUNV8MxU

Justice League - Nov 17th...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxixDgHUYw
Zack Snyder's daughter committed Suicide in March and he has stepped away from the film & is allowing Joss Whedon to direct additional scenes. Whedon will also be directing a Batgirl movie.

Wonder Woman - June 2nd...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLzqh7rZ-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSB4wGIdDwo

Spider-Man - Homecoming - July 2nd...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-dF1lIbIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiTECkLZ8HM
New trailer coming this Wednesday.

Venom - October 5th 2018...
Made by Sony not connected to the MCU or presumably the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man-verse.
Tom Hardy is playing Eddie Brock.

The Gifted - TBA...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzW9rMcbzk

The Defenders - 8 episodes - Aug 18th...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3m7B4v6Zc

Aquaman - Dec 21st 2018...
SPOILER: Show
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Black Lightning - TBA...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZpJeuXo2CY

The past thread got bogged down in heated arguments over the DCEU, much of which was my fault, I apologize, let's all (myself included) try & keep things more positive/friendly this thread & not take film criticism & interpretation so personally.

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Postby Ray » Tue May 23, 2017 4:17 pm

I feel this article sums up how most of us feel right now.

https://jasperch.com/2017/05/23/a-few-w ... s-critics/

A Few Words on Zack Snyder: A Time for Reflection Amongst his Critics
Posted on May 23, 2017 by jasperchblog

A quick word before you read this post – the intention isn’t to make the situation about *me*, or to detract from this horrific news. At all. Real-life tragedies such as these are far bigger than any person’s views on films which are, ultimately, for children. So please don’t read it that way. Thanks.

When I woke up to the news that Zack Snyder has dropped out of completing Justice League because his daughter committed suicide in March, I was shocked. Stunned. Coupled with the news of the Manchester bombing, I felt that I had woken up in a Bizarro world. There’s simply no comparable situation in modern cinematic history, and it’s only been furthered by the fact that Joss Whedon – the director of Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron – is taking over duties, including additional directing. Back in 2012, when Avengers was a smash hit, it was a joke on forums that DC would bring in Whedon to replicate his success with Marvel through making Justice League, their own superhero team franchise. But not like this. No parent should have to bury their child, a child who has taken their own life. What’s worse is that Snyder didn’t want to make this news public, but he felt that he had to.

This has played on my mind all day. Nobody deserves such a tragedy to befall them. And I feel incredible guilt for how I’ve played my part in building those narratives over the past four years.

I’ve made no secret of my strong dislike for Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. I saw both films has having potential, but ultimately falling short. Despite this, my criticism was vitriolic. I saw Batman v Superman at its press screening, where Snyder introduced the film, saying that he hoped we enjoyed it. It was kind of him to appear, and I wanted to, but I didn’t. My review was 5,000 words long, and I repeatedly linked my criticism of the film with Snyder personally.

After being burned by Snyder twice now, I’ve lost all interest in Justice League and have no excitement for it whatsoever. I have high hopes for Suicide Squad and think that will be good, but if Warner Bros. decide to keep him around then I’m not going to let myself get hyped for it as I have done for Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

I’d much rather everything in this movie be terrible (preferably all amazing), a la the Star Wars Prequels, than be so close to greatness yet at the same time so far. It’s just frustrating, and I have no interest in going through that cycle again for a third time. I adore all of these characters, and Batman in particular means a lot to me. While I was pleased with his portrayal here, I don’t trust Snyder to deliver again.

My attitude towards those movies has been shared, repeatedly, amongst countless other bloggers and critics. It’s become easy to attack Snyder as lazy and borderline-evil, describing him as a man who doesn’t understand either Batman or Superman, or even the entire DC Universe. Our criticism of his films has been intertwined with a criticism of Snyder as a man. I believe that’s partly because his personal style is so apparent in his work, but also because of the aforementioned easiness in attacking Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. What harm does a joke about Snyder himself do? Before, I’ve even read tweets joking that Snyder himself should die, just to “save us” from another DC film directed by him. A simple Google search brings up this Guardian article, which, in hindsight, reads as utterly and unnecessarily vicious.

The backlash against Zack Snyder’s work in establishing the DC Universe has been so strong, so vitriolic, so brutal, that I cannot think of a similar situation in Hollywood’s history. The closest is perhaps the anger directed at George Lucas for the Star Wars Prequels, yet that was during the infancy of the internet. Now, you can find a dozen fervent anti-Zack Snyder articles on Google in five seconds. And I can’t deny that I’ve been complicit in that.

Zack Snyder felt that he had to tell the world that his daughter killed herself because if he didn’t, and he dropped out of Justice League with no explanation, the entire film blogosphere would explode with speculation over how terrible the movie would be, and celebration that the “DC supervillain” was finally gone. He knew that he would have to deal with even more borderline-hateful personal attacks, whilst simultaneously coping with the suicide of his daughter.


Zack Snyder wrote:“Here’s the thing, I never planned to make this public. I thought it would just be in the family, a private matter, our private sorrow that we would deal with. When it became obvious that I need to take a break, I knew there would be narratives created on the internet. They’ll do what they do. The truth is … I’m past caring about that kind of thing now.”


TLDR?

Zack was trying to keep his personal affairs out of his work, and too often criticism of his movies descended into attacks on the mans character.and he knew that if he left production while still keeping the truth about what happened to his daughter under wraps the internet hate Machine would be "celebrating" his removal and hailing Joss Whedon as the Savior of DC. He only opened up about his daughters death to avoid having the Internet mock him on top of dealing with his loss.

The Fanboy machine runs on Hyperbole, so when some people were honestly wishing something bad would happen to Zack to 'save DC from this Ayn Rand Idolozing Manchild' or various other insults. and then something bad actually DID happen to him? I think we all need to maintain an attitude of Self-Reflection right now. . . Even if you don't care for the mans work, don't attack the man himself. We're only human.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 23, 2017 4:50 pm

I'm sure as shit going to attack Joss Whedon though. Looking forward to all those loving shots of Gal Gadot's feet.

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Postby Ray » Tue May 23, 2017 5:32 pm

They finished principal photography. So I doubt there's any damage Whedon can do in post that hadn't already been done by Geoff Johns Tonally Dissonant script.

Is it too soon to talk about JOSS WHEDON directing the future of the DCEU?

Yeah, not too excited about this. Think it's a pretty bad Idea actually. I mean. . . when you think about it hard enough, you'll realize that if this goes through the two most well known Superhero universes in the history of the world will fall under the sway of ONE MAN. Both of their futures in terms of tone, underlining themes, etc. Will all be caused by ONE MAN. This is the Film industry equivalent of being declared simultaneously the legendary Super Saiyan and Azor Ahai. Does whedon even realize what kind of power he wields?

Furthermore. Given how his vision when it came to Avengers and Age Of Ultron impacted Marvel going forward. who knows, if he ends up directing justice league 2 how that will impact the DCEU going forward. Knowing him and his idealism, he's most likely just going to try and make the whole thing like Marvel. Lots of jokes, lots of romanticism, none of the dark tone that was DC was trying to use to differentiate itself from Marvel.

If it was just Batgirl. I'd be okay with him directing that. She's a smaller character and because of that her character and movies impact on the DCEU would be minimal. So I wouldn't have to be worried about them junking the dark tone or COMPLETELY junking Snyder's original creative vision (which Geoff Johns was at LEAST trying to find a compromise with). I'd almost prefer another divisive to bad Zack Snyder production. At least then I wouldn't have these concerns about DC and marvel becoming homogenous copies of each other.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 23, 2017 5:55 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Lots of jokes, lots of romanticism, none of the dark tone that was DC was trying


Good, maybe we can get a Superman who smiles and doesn't look put out when saving people and a science hero Batman who isn't a brooding psycopathic murderer.

What The DCCU needs is a plan, a coherent direction, and a house style. Smartest thing they could do is learn from Marvel and sit down a team of writers and plan shit out, set up a feel for each hero and decide how they're going to handle the look and tone of the group movies.

That's how you prevent Watchmen II from happening again.

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Postby Ray » Tue May 23, 2017 6:25 pm

Good, maybe we can get a Superman who smiles


Relevant.
https://youtu.be/h55YePGLYHQ?t=178

science hero Batman who isn't a brooding psycopathic murderer


Also relevant.
https://youtu.be/GbKa7q7y0TY?t=173

TLDW? By letting these sociopaths like Joker live? Batman IMO being FAR more irresponsible and killing far more people through inaction than he is by killing unrepentant child rapists, human traffickers, and domestic terrorists.

Watchmen was FINE. Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with a darker cinematic universe. I've said before that DC needs to differ it's brand from Marvel with bigger stakes, bigger themes, and darker subject matter without quarantining it to Netflix. Or else nobody will EVER take them seriously and only see them as a derivative. Whatever, i've talked it to death. Bottom line? With Joss Whedon in charge? Yeah, not looking forward to DC's future.
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Postby movieartman » Tue May 23, 2017 6:43 pm

I have heard nothing to suggest Joss will have any control over the future of the Dceu aside from his Batgirl movie.
I imagine Matt Reeves & Jenkins (if WW is as well liked as it sounds to be so far) will oversee things more then him.

View Original PostRay wrote:Furthermore. Given how his vision when it came to Avengers and Age Of Ultron impacted Marvel going forward.

I am not really sure that they really did have all that much impact. They seemed more a extension of the style of the Iron Man films.
I think Winter Solider's style & tone influenced Civil War & moving forward Black Panther.
While Gotg influenced Thor 3 & obviously it's own sequel.

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Postby Bagheera » Tue May 23, 2017 7:23 pm



Nah. The point of the MoS complaints isn't that Supes never smiles, but rather the overall tone of the piece. It's dour, and that's not what Superman is supposed to be.

And no, it's not up to Batman to make those judgements. No one gets to make those judgements of their own volition; that's why we have courts of law instead of people like Judge Dredd running around. And if you say the courts don't work you're just selectively ignoring tropes to make your argument, because the reason the courts don't work in DC is so the villains can get out and the heroes can fight them again. In the real world? They're be put away and that would be the end of it, time to move on.

On Whedon: I'm kinda over him myself, but like movieartman suggests you're assigning him waaaaay too much power and influence in the MCU. Iron Man set the tone for pretty much the entire MCU, and Whedon had nothing to do with that. Whedon did have a fair bit of input into phase II, but the overall project is still the brainchild of Jon Favreau and Kevin Feige. IOW Whedon's not a showrunner, so just relax already.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue May 23, 2017 7:26 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:TLDW? By letting these sociopaths like Joker live? Batman IMO being FAR more irresponsible and killing far more people through inaction than he is by killing unrepentant child rapists, human traffickers, and domestic terrorists.


Okay, first of all you're assuming that capital punishment is morally acceptable as part of your argument. I don't want to get in trouble but let me just say: I don't think that even the government should have the power to kill someone. So obviously I disagree with a self-appointed vigilante killing people without due process or trial.

What makes the Batman character interesting to me is that despite his terror tactics and theatrical methods, Batman is fundamentally concerned with preventing death. The point of dressing up as a bat to fight crime isn't to take out his urges on criminals or hurt people because he was hurt. The painful, grinding lifestyle of being Batman is a sacrifice for the greater good to prevent other people from suffering the way he has.

The Joker Escapes meme needs to die. The Joker doesn't go on regular rampages because Batman is morally justified in killing him but chooses not to but because the Joker sells comic books, and as I keep saying, the fetish among nerds for "continuity" is the death of storytelling.

Watchmen was FINE.


Yes, it was, but we've had this discussion before. I don't know why you keep jumping on this weird line of argument.

Yeah, I like Watchmen but I don't want everything to be Watchmen. I enjoy some dark stories (dark in this instance is a really ill-defined term but...) but I don't want everything to be dark.

I want some variety! I've seen dark gothic Batman, dark gritty realistic Batman, dark neon campy Batman. Can we have a new take on it that isn't a retread of Frank Miller or Adam West?

Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with a darker cinematic universe. I've said before that DC needs to differ it's brand from Marvel with bigger stakes, bigger themes, and darker subject matter without quarantining it to Netflix. Or else nobody will EVER take them seriously and only see them as a derivative. Whatever, i've talked it to death. Bottom line? With Joss Whedon in charge? Yeah, not looking forward to DC's future.


There's nothing wrong with a dark universe but why does it have to be this one?

You realize that no one takes the DCCU seriously now, right? The Snyderverse is a loveless, suit-directed excerise in taking elements from Marvel's business strategy, Nolan, Watchmen, and blending them all together with the graphic novel shelf at Barnes and Noble.

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Postby movieartman » Tue May 23, 2017 7:32 pm

For fuck's sake...
Edge of Tomorrow's Doug Liman leaves Justice League Dark...

The news certainly comes as a shocker, especially considering Liman very recently teased the film's fresh take on John Constantine, but according to the report, his departure can be attributed to scheduling conflicts as he is already onboard to direct Lionsgate's Chaos Walking, which recently received the greenlight and has Tom Holland (Spider-Man: Homecoming) and Daisy Ridley (Star Wars: The Last Jedi) attached to star.

God please, PLEASE don't let anything go wrong with Reeves or Wan...

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Postby MuscleRobo » Wed May 24, 2017 6:58 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:I'm sure as shit going to attack Joss Whedon though. Looking forward to all those loving shots of Gal Gadot's feet.


I had the same thought. It must be torture to him editing the film in post production when he comes to a shot that is cut off at the ankles. Catwoman is going to be tremendously awful to make up for his frustrations.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed May 24, 2017 5:12 pm

Foot fetishism makes me Incredibly, irrationally angry and I don't know why, so when Avengers opened up with Gwyneth Paltrow's feet I was temporarily infuriated until Robert Downey, Jr's smooth delivery eased my soul and lifted my spirits.

I think that's why I hate Tarantino. That and his chin.

I'm also pretty down on Whedon's "hooker with a heart of gold" fetishism, waif-fu, and weird fixation on damaged heroines and beauty and the beast archetypes. Marvel has reined him in pretty successfully since he pretty much vented all of those urges into Black Widow and we can just ignore her sterile sexy ballerina assassin flashbacks when she's in the Cap movies when she actually turns into an interesting character.

Edit: Seriously look at this shit:

1. Cap: Man out of time in a world he doesn't understand and doesn't understand him/American values vs American realities
2. Hulk: This man... this monster!
3. Hawkeye: What the hell am I even doing here?
4. Iron Man: I can be a hero... but that doesn't make me a good person
5. Thor: What does it mean to be worthy?
6. Black Widow: Oh no I can't babies!

I mean, really. Yeah she does have other character traits but when he went to develop/give her flashbacks he went the easy way.

That's why I say D.C. really needs a head of the entire DCCU project who will reign in the excesses of the directors and maintain a house style, as well as choose the creative teams who work best for a given project. (Protip: If you're making a movie about a superpowered man who came from the sky to do only good, keep the Watchmen and Nolan Batman people Way from it)

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Postby Ray » Wed May 24, 2017 5:44 pm

Protip: If you're making a movie about a superpowered man who came from the sky to do only good, keep the Watchmen and Nolan Batman people Way from it


Keep beating that dead horse why don't ya? God forbid we have that Super powered man act like a human being would in his situation!

You can't have a story about an All powerful being In a modern world and NOT address the darker aspects of that. If you don't you're being irresponsible as a creator for refusing to ask those questions.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed May 24, 2017 5:51 pm

Tell it to Grant Morrison. I double dog dare ya.
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Postby FrDougal9000 » Wed May 24, 2017 6:07 pm

Justice League will more likely not be influenced by Whedon, who has been pulled in to do some last-minute assistant directing for the movie. This won't a Road to El Dorado situation, where the assistant directors had more involvement with the film than the 'main directors' (because said assistants WERE the directors for the film until they quit due to frustrations with the project). Whatever influence Whedon has on the final film will be minimal at best, and most of that will likely be the viewer seeing what they want to see.

(A character makes a witty remark from a script dated 8th Oct. 2016)

Viewer: I knew it! Joss Whedon has influenced and corrupted this project! He is totally the director for this film, and not the guy who did most of the legwork on it!


(I'm being facetious, just to make that clear.)

As for the news of Snyder's departure, I can only wish the best for the man. Nobody should have to deal with so much shit, be it personally and/or publically, and I absolutely support him dropping out to do what he can to make sure he and those around him are okay. I sincerely hope things get better for you, Snyder.
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Postby Chuckman » Wed May 24, 2017 6:11 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Keep beating that dead horse why don't ya? God forbid we have that Super powered man act like a human being would in his situation!


That's boring.

He's not a human being. He just isn't, and that raises really interesting questions. How does the world react to a truly good man?

What's missing from the DCCU is the fundamental argument of Superman. He is the embodiment of the belief that humans are intrinsically good and the immoral things we do -our selfish, violent tendencies- are the result of our biological drives and needs. They are the Prison That is The Ape. Many many people over the years have jokingly claimed that Superman the comic book character has nothing to do with the Nietzchean ideal of the Superman, but they're completely wrong. Superman (the Man of Tomorrow) is what is beyond man, and your Lex Luthor figure is the Last Man of Nietsche's philosophy. (Most people don't get Nietzsche at all and think the things he was against, nihilism and the like, are his philosophy when they're the things he was railing against, and assume that the whole thing about casting off the morality of the slave and defining your own ethical system means you need to be an asshole or you're not actualized; that's not true at all, but I digress)

The interesting story questions from this assumption are boundless: What does good even mean? How does Superman actualize the absolute good that comes from the profound moral clarity his powers give him? How do people respond to it, to him? How does he resolve the problem of evil that comes about from his own existence? What is he justified in doing, or not doing, to bring about goodness? Is he morally obligated to be Superman all the time and never sleep? Should he just take over the world? Why? Why not?

You could make so many interesting Superman movies, so full of drama and spectacle and grandeur, without even having an actual supervillain in them... but there's so many that have never been touched! Let's go right to Lex Luthor and Zod, forget about the whole DC rogue's gallery, unrestricted by thorny rights issues like Marvel is!

Buuuut instead of some actually interesting questions let's punch Zod and punch Batman and punch Doomsday and punch a guy through a brick wall but he's totally not dead.

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Postby Ray » Wed May 24, 2017 7:17 pm

I'll let movieartman tackle that. . . I'm not in the mood right now. I hear lot of complaining, but no proposals for solutions to flaws you see in Superman's character.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Wed May 24, 2017 7:20 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Foot fetishism makes me Incredibly, irrationally angry and I don't know why, so when Avengers opened up with Gwyneth Paltrow's feet I was temporarily infuriated until Robert Downey, Jr's smooth delivery eased my soul and lifted my spirits.

I think that's why I hate Tarantino. That and his chin.


I think it amounts to a huge TMI on the part of the director revealing their personal sexual kinks and shoving them in the audience's faces. It's akin to your uncle loudly professing in public that he likes licking women's assholes after covering them with honey. It's awkward. Don't thrust your kinks in our faces. I really don't want mental imagery of Whedon sniffing feet or a family member performing obscene sex acts. And this is coming from someone who finds feet somewhat attractive if they're taken care of (though not as high on my list of desirable attributes as a cute face and a toned petite figure with proportional, perky breasts.)

If I want to be titillated by kinky material, I'll go onto pornhub. There's a time and place.


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I think it'll be interesting having someone like Whedon who knows how to inject more levity into a film, especially in a universe where it's so desperately needed. Even though he's just doing mostly post-stuff, it'll be cool to see if there's any sort of noticeable difference.

And also, the DC universe needs to stop being emo. I know that's a shit descriptor, but it's felt like that since MoS.

MAKE ME SMILE IN THE THEATER FOR ONCE AND NOT FOR UNINTENDED "OMG WHYDIDYOUSAYHERNAME MARTHAMARTHAMARTHA" BS.
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Postby Sachi » Wed May 24, 2017 7:31 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:I'll let movieartman tackle that. . . I'm not in the mood right now. I hear lot of complaining, but no proposals for solutions to flaws you see in Superman's character.

Has Chuck not gone over time and time again his ideal vision of a Superman movie? I'm sure he could repeat it again, but like you said, it'd just be beating a dead horse over again. Given that this thread is filled with nerds sticking to their guns, I'd say there's a lot of that happening all sides.

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Postby Chuckman » Wed May 24, 2017 8:32 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:I think it amounts to a huge TMI on the part of the director revealing their personal sexual kinks and shoving them in the audience's faces. It's akin to your uncle loudly professing in public that he likes licking women's assholes after covering them with honey. It's awkward. Don't thrust your kinks in our faces. I really don't want mental imagery of Whedon sniffing feet or a family member performing obscene sex acts. And this is coming from someone who finds feet somewhat attractive if they're taken care of (though not as high on my list of desirable attributes as a cute face and a toned petite figure with proportional, perky breasts.)

If I want to be titillated by kinky material, I'll go onto pornhub. There's a time and place.


@DC

I think it'll be interesting having someone like Whedon who knows how to inject more levity into a film, especially in a universe where it's so desperately needed. Even though he's just doing mostly post-stuff, it'll be cool to see if there's any sort of noticeable difference.

And also, the DC universe needs to stop being emo. I know that's a shit descriptor, but it's felt like that since MoS.

MAKE ME SMILE IN THE THEATER FOR ONCE AND NOT FOR UNINTENDED "OMG WHYDIDYOUSAYHERNAME MARTHAMARTHAMARTHA" BS.


I like the mother thing. I like the idea that Batman has projected his own issues onto Superman. I like the idea of Batman's core fear not being bats (dumb, imo) but a more nebulous figure that haunts his dreams; he's terrified of a nebulous, faceless figure of overwhelming power that he feels utterly impotent against, a chaotic being that destroys his faith in an orderly universe (as a child, when an orderly universe means mommy will comfort and daddy will protect and neither can be harmed).

He masters these fears by adopting the guise of a supernatural, invincible creature in his vigilante career and by adopting the playboy persona as his secret identity: chaos took my mommy but now I can have all the women I want!

Then Superman comes along and ruins everything: He represents a deep unfairness that haunts Bruce (where was the Superman when mommy was killed?) and a power that haunts Batman; in Bruce's mind Superman is the towering terror of his childhood with a gun aimed at the world and Batman has a moral obligation to stop him.

Then when the climax comes and Bruce sees the similarity between them -Superman grew up, had a mother, a family, and now that's in danger- he has a moment of moral clarity when he realizes that justice is more important than vengeance and the purpose of Batman is to liberate people from fear, not control them with it.

BVS drifts towards this idea, moves towards it, hints at it, but never reaches it. The lead up is silly and the execution is terrible and the movie doesn't know who its characters are, so you get Lex playing the Joker while Batman plays Lex and Diana plays Catwoman and Superman plays Doctor Manhattan and it's not even clear he and Clark are the same person.

It's like a funhouse mirror version of a good movie, which is somehow worse than if it was simply mediocre and bland like the Green Lantern movie, for example.


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