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Postby xanderkh » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:32 pm

View Original PostDarkBluePhoenix wrote:Nice call on the stigmata... but did Shinji die for our sins?



:cringe: Um......with THAT analogy......I hope that's not foreshadowing something. :sniffle:
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:34 pm

xanderkh wrote::cringe: Um......with THAT analogy......I hope that's not foreshadowing something. :sniffle:

Well, Shinji has plenty of his own sins to die for, like almost ending the world twice with his poor and hasty decision making. Maybe his death fixes the world or some such... we just have to wait and find out.
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Postby Reichu » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:33 pm

Which continuity is the current tangent supposed to be in...?

Assuming the original, where Kaworu is totes the Anti-Christ, I would submit that Rei/Lilith (they're the same again by the end, so) is the primary "Jesus". Shinji is more like... a proxy of a proxy.
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Postby DarkBluePhoenix » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:44 am

Reichu wrote:Which continuity is the current tangent supposed to be in...?

I was referencing the rebuilds directly with my most recent statement.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:42 am

Persuading Shinji in Q that he knows how to put things right is a bit like the role of the serpent in Eden.
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Postby Joseki » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:18 pm

While Kaworu is surely manipulating Shinji during the course of the movie I won't say that he had malicious intents or that he wasn't acting in Shinji's best interests, or at least what he believed were his best interests (before realising that he was played by Gendo).
Rebuild Kaworu may be a mysterious, vague, godlike creature but he's still flawed as every other human being and that's the beauty of his character.
However, I won't say that he's "best boy", and I tend to ignore NGE Kaworus because he has so little screentime that he's more a plot device than a real character in the story, because he lacks what I feel is the core of Evangelion: the will to fight and continuing to exist.
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Postby Magneto » Thu May 11, 2017 11:30 am

Kensuke: Many see him just as a '' military-otaku '' I think he's the most mature among the kids in this show.

I liked Gendo before, but this thing of joining with Yui made him weak, I really liked the "evil genius" style and with more similar motivations than Seele's.


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Aoba is interesting so he is also the only one who has no emotional manifestation at the level of other characters.
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Postby RadicalRandy » Thu May 11, 2017 1:42 pm

View Original PostMagneto wrote:Kensuke: Many see him just as a '' military-otaku '' I think he's the most mature among the kids in this show.


Friendly reminder about those pictures of Asuka that he and Toji were selling.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu May 11, 2017 3:33 pm

View Original PostRadicalRandy wrote:Friendly reminder about those pictures of Asuka that he and Toji were selling.


Add to that the photograph of the girls undressing in the changing room with Asuka in central frame was proberbly shot from a tree or hidden spot...
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu May 11, 2017 5:11 pm

And Kensuke is the only character in the series shown with a camera.

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Postby Magneto » Thu May 11, 2017 6:37 pm

View Original Postsilvermoonlight wrote:Add to that the photograph of the girls undressing in the changing room with Asuka in central frame was proberbly shot from a tree or hidden spot...


We also have the scene where the wind raises Asuka's skirt and he's filming, but I still hold my position.

Episode 4 helps to reaffirm this, in addition Kensuke seems to be the only child to understand the importance of piloting an Eva in spite of the exaggerated admiration.

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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu May 11, 2017 7:30 pm

There are a couple of different reasons the series gives us for why Shinji pilots.

1. Like with his cello, it was something he was good at and no one ever told him to stop. It eventually consumes him to the point when, at his lowest, it's literally the only thing he believes he can do.

From ep. 26:
TELOP: "Why do you pilot Eva?"

Shinji: "Because it's all of me."


2. To earn praise and/or recognition from his father. Episode 12 specifically makes a point of showing us how much this affects him, and flashbacks in introspection scenes cite that moment when he thinks about why he pilots.
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Postby Magneto » Thu May 11, 2017 8:46 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:There are a couple of different reasons the series gives us for why Shinji pilots.

1. Like with his cello, it was something he was good at and no one ever told him to stop. It eventually consumes him to the point when, at his lowest, it's literally the only thing he believes he can do.

From ep. 26:


2. To earn praise and/or recognition from his father. Episode 12 specifically makes a point of showing us how much this affects him, and flashbacks in introspection scenes cite that moment when he thinks about why he pilots.


I was just talking about the vocation to be Eva's pilot.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu May 11, 2017 10:56 pm

View Original PostMagneto wrote:We also have the scene where the wind raises Asuka's skirt and he's filming, but I still hold my position.


You can hold to it, but it still doesn't make sense. Far from being the most mature motivation, it's actually the most juvenile: Shinji is searching for a reason to pilot, Asuka does it out of pride and desperation, and Rei does it to please Gendo. All are reacting to their circumstances as best they can. But Kensuke? He want to pilot because it's cool. There is no more childish reason on Earth to want something.

And then there are the photos, which basically say, "My skills as a criminal are far more developed than yours, ha ha!" While that's certainly true, it's not exactly something to brag about.
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Postby Magneto » Fri May 12, 2017 5:26 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:You can hold to it, but it still doesn't make sense. Far from being the most mature motivation, it's actually the most juvenile: Shinji is searching for a reason to pilot, Asuka does it out of pride and desperation, and Rei does it to please Gendo. All are reacting to their circumstances as best they can. But Kensuke? He want to pilot because it's cool. There is no more childish reason on Earth to want something.

And then there are the photos, which basically say, "My skills as a criminal are far more developed than yours, ha ha!" While that's certainly true, it's not exactly something to brag about.


Well, we can not say that someone is more mature by facing traumas in a manic-depressive or demonstrating false maturity, the thing that most favors Kensuke is not to have emotional instability, his mother just like that of other pilots also died and he seems to deal Well, when Toji punches Shinji in episode 3, Kensuke apologizes for that, when he could have simply supported Toji's ignorance at that moment, in addition he apologizes for Toji in episode 4 for having punched Shinji, also when the service Nerv's intelligence finds Shinji's whereabouts, Kensuke does not react to it, his explanation is given the next day when questioned by Toji, he asks, '' Why did not you react? '', Answer: '' Only an idiot fights knowing Who will lose, '' Kensuke also knows that his '' military exercises '' are just jokes. For a boy of 14 years I think he has a certain maturity Yes, his youthful side is represented through his admiration for something that makes him sound childish, just as a person who collects dolls of animes can make him childish the perception of others , But it does not mean that this really matches her, Kensuke may not have the formula to face the world, but I think he would deal better with the problems. What really is not there are moments to better explain Kensuke's personality because he is a supporting actor, he is only reflex from the author's point of view but there is no guarantee that he is just a military-otaku with naive perceptions.

Being Eva's pilot is just a profession like any other, the difference is that this one is not chosen by merit, as everyone in the classroom that Shinji studies are potential pilots, it is sensible to think that Kensuke was better adapted as a pilot for his interest, Unfortunately Kensuke was not the protagonist and did not have his mother dissolved into an Eva.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri May 12, 2017 6:18 pm

You're doing a lot of handwaving here, essentially claiming Kensuke's the most mature of the kids by virtue of the fact that he's a secondary character who's never really fleshed out. I don't buy it. The picture business and the fact he seems utterly oblivious to the effect piloting has on Shinji make it seem absurd.
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Postby Magneto » Fri May 12, 2017 7:26 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:You're doing a lot of handwaving here, essentially claiming Kensuke's the most mature of the kids by virtue of the fact that he's a secondary character who's never really fleshed out. I don't buy it. The picture business and the fact he seems utterly oblivious to the effect piloting has on Shinji make it seem absurd.


In Episode 3 Kensuke and Toji enter Eva 01, they actually see that Shinji is suffering there, in the next episode when Shinji flees and desides not to fly anymore and they support his decision, Kensuke does not seem insensitive in relation to this, Shinji returns to Eva At his own expense. I do not understand where you want to go, Shinji does not pilot Eva because is bad, it's because he already feels bad about himself and does not know he wants to go.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri May 12, 2017 9:12 pm

View Original PostSnow wrote:Now, since the mid-90's there has been a constant state of a information war over the identity of the legendary best girl. Now, i'd like to ask you who is the best boy


Depending on which sort of best boy you mean, the best boy is the assistant to the gaffer or the key grip (the best boy electric or best boy grip, respectively)

If you ask Kaworu he'll tell you Shinji makes a great best boy grip, heyoooooooooo.

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Postby Snow » Sat May 13, 2017 5:15 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Depending on which sort of best boy you mean, the best boy is the assistant to the gaffer or the key grip (the best boy electric or best boy grip, respectively)

If you ask Kaworu he'll tell you Shinji makes a great best boy grip, heyoooooooooo.


In the EVA-setting, i would suppose it would be the least mentally damaged, yet maturity and personality matter too. A matter of taste...
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