[LAEM] Would an american Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?

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Re: [LAEM] Would an american Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?

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Postby camilopc1234 » Thu May 25, 2017 12:53 am

In other words the movie would fail, no matter how good and how original and at the same time how close to the source material the story is, it would be a big flop.
No studio would have the balls and interest on put so much money and doing it.
Even more sure once you know that LAEM has to be a trilogy or a tetralogy with high stakes like Lotr.
And dealing with the age of unknown kids that are suppose to be the main characters is going to be a problem.
Now I have it clear. :(

But I dunno... is there is other films that had problems like this and were a success?

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu May 25, 2017 6:34 am

You'd have to find a way to make live-action Evangelion for under $10 Million. (And that's a good, generous, Fox Studio-greenlit, 1977 Star Wars budget.) And if you can convincingly create the spectacle of Eva for under $10 Million, plus cast, sets, crew, ect., PM me please. And even then, it would till be risky. Let's say that, by some supernatural intervention, you successfully created a live-action Evangelion that looks as good as LotR for less than $10 Million. (Seriously, PM me if you can do that.) The biggest hurdle beyond actually making the movie is distributing the movie. You can make whatever you want if you have the money and don't break the law. (13-year-olds in skin-tight suits isn't illegal. Just think of the pilot scenes as extended bathing-suit scenes, with cockpits instead of pool/beaches.) But no studio in their right mind will release even a fully completed, independently-produced, totally faithful LAEM to the public because it will result in public backlash. The plug suits themselves aren't the real issue, is the leering camera that's essential to the story of sexual frustrations that would be the real issue. Dakota Fanning can be in a tight swimsuit for the swimming scenes in Man on Fire, but the filmmakers knew better than to show that same scene from the POV of the kidnappers, which could potentially lend itself to leering and uncomfortable camera angles.

Also, even if Eva had nothing to do with sexual frustrations of puberty, I don't realistically see 13-year-olds piloting Evas, causing collateral damage, and saving the world. You can do that with Harry Potter because glow stick-looking wands and fantastical castles are too far removed from reality. Same thing is true for Narnia, which is probably the only major film in recent memory to have kids in a real, adult, battle situation, and even then it still side-lines its young female cast from most of the battle scenes. (Though, that was done to parallel the women at Christ's tomb in the Gospels, not because it was actively making excuses for females not being in battle.) But Tokyo-3 isn't far enough removed from reality to have that situation play out convincingly. I have a feeling that even most Japanese audiences would reject kids in realistic adult battle situations if it's seriously, un-fantastically presented in a medium other than animation. It's just too weird looking. You would at least need to bump up the ages to 16 or something.
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Re: [LAEM] Would an american Evangelion live-action movie have ever worked if it had been done right?

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Postby zlink64 » Thu May 25, 2017 10:00 am

I think it could be done but they'd have to be very willing to change things, alot of things. Like the way chirstopher nolan took liberties with batman mythos someone can do that with eva. A super faithful adaption I think would be a waste because it'd probably fail and Eva seems like it so personal and specific to Anno style that whatever attempt to copy it would just not work. Like I'd be okay with a director just taking a risk and making their own version of Eva. Also we have three versions of eva, don't think we need someone trying to copy them. That being said if a director thinks they could do faithful adaptation that is awesome then power to them.

That being said based off ghost in the shell I'm not even confident a good adaptation on it's own would be enough....we probably need like a great marketing team and movies like godzill 2 and Pacific 2 rim doing really well before a bunch of normal none fans are even willing to go see some thing like eva at the movies.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun May 28, 2017 7:45 am

^ Generally speaking, American adaptations of Japanese material do seem to work best when they're treated like comic-book adaptation. What the best films in the examples for both genres do is they adapt characters, concepts, and some basic world building. They generally don't adapt entire storylines. (300 and Watchmen tried to do that, and they're not that great at all. The only one that I think really works as a more complete film adaptation is Sin City, and I can't bring myself to watch that more than once.) Captain America 3: Civil War is the closest thing we got to a film adaptation of a comic book while also being a film that didn't rely on the comic book's presence in order to fill in the details of the overall themes and backgrounds of the narrative and all of the characters, and even then it was really "Civil War" in name and function only. The context (and therefore the theming) is entirely different and based in its own overall MCU themes.

Godzilla is a good example of an American adaptation of a Japanese film that functions like film adaptations of comic books. It's Godzilla. We're in it for the monster, so all we really need is the monster. We don't need Japanese culture, we don't need the original thematic elements or contexts, we don't need any of that stuff. Just like Sam Raimi did with Spider-Man, just put Godzilla in a city, flesh out his story is the same basic direction, following all of the genre tropes in a way that feels earnest and honest, and you'll have a hit. I believe GitS could have been adapted in a similar fashion, maybe in a way that more closely resembles Inception's relationship with Paprika. (Nolan had to buy rights from Paprika in order for his Inception for there not to be any feasible lawsuits dealing with international copyright laws.) But instead they went the whole "adapting the narrative completely" road with an unfit cast before chickening out in the last 10 minutes of the movie.

Evangelion might have be Americanized in the same fashion Paprika did: In spirit only. And, while not as close of a comparison as Paprika and Inception, Pacific Rim gets it close enough to Eva to count.
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