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Postby pwhodges » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:00 pm

I am mildly bemused by the thanking ritual. Anyone was free to not read that forum, to not take part, or to remain friendly while joining in.
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Postby NemZ » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:25 pm

Perhaps, but the ill will it generated seeped out into the forum at large.
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:31 pm

That may be so; and of course, the unread post listings included it whether you wanted it or not (that no longer happens with the new arrangement using a separate forum, of course, which is a big change).
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:49 pm

I tend to think SD's been made a scapegoat of sorts, as most of the problems that have gotten people banned have occurred in other threads. Various threads in Chit-Chat, a couple in Discussion, a fair number in Rebuild, the FML thread, the News thread (which has always said "no politics" but invariably wound up including it), a few film threads, and so on and so forth. People talk about SD generating ill will, but it didn't tell me anything about forum users I didn't already know long before SD existed (and, past that, most of the ill will I've encountered -- and that I feel myself -- is based more on PMs and Skype than on anything in the SD forum).

Which is not to say shutting it down wasn't a good idea, particularly if the staff doesn't wanna deal with it. But I think you're kidding yourselves if you think getting rid of it will make the forum's problems go away. They didn't start with SD, and they sure as heck won't end with it. All you're really doing here is putting the rug back in place so you don't have to look at what lies beneath.
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Postby Monk Ed » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:53 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:I am mildly bemused by the thanking ritual.

Obligatory note for anyone who might misread the above sentence: "bemused" is a synonym of "bewildered", not "amused".
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Postby Director Black » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:10 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote: I think you're kidding yourselves if you think getting rid of it will make the forum's problems go away. They didn't start with SD, and they sure as heck won't end with it. All you're really doing here is putting the rug back in place so you don't have to look at what lies beneath.


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Postby pwhodges » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:07 am

SD was created to enable such conversations to continue under containment. It was expected that a different approach to moderation would be required to keep it under control, but for several reasons, listed in the OP of this thread, that didn't work out.
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Postby Tankred » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:58 pm

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:SD was created to enable such conversations to continue under containment. It was expected that a different approach to moderation would be required to keep it under control, but for several reasons, listed in the OP of this thread, that didn't work out.


Most of these points had already been made in opposition to a serious discussion subforum to begin with, there was a very strong support for the status quo of the time, in which the staff came down hard on discussions that increasingly inched toward the political and religious, they disappeared for a time and then came back in some form, this way you doused one fire at a time instead of having 5 going continously. Now I can appreciate the subforum was made to deal with the overflowing amount of serious discussions taking place, but having a temporary blanket ban would have probably worked better.

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Postby pwhodges » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:52 pm

View Original PostTankred wrote:but having a temporary blanket ban would have probably worked better.

Well, that's the way it now is as the result of experience, so there's not really much more to say about it.
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Postby Chuckman » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:33 am

Is the lonely hearts thread still in SD? Might want to pull it back into the general off topic board. I don't think there's anything inflammatory about a relationship thread.

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Postby NemZ » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:50 pm

I thought it was booted on account of gratuitous descriptions of various sexual practices... Hmm.
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Postby Sachi » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:51 pm

I've gone ahead and moved it back to general off topic. thread/15359/EGFs-House-of-Lonely-Hearts/
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