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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:45 am

It doesn't.

But it's DAMN GOOD! Up there as one of my fave, if not favorite, films of the year!

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Postby Zeruss » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:51 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:It doesn't.

But it's DAMN GOOD! Up there as one of my fave, if not favorite, films of the year!

Oh no... I- I'm... getting pumped up to watch it now (☉‿ ⊙;)
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Postby robersora » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:04 pm

I've never managed to finish Blade Runner. Too many boring bits intercept truly great moments. I love the aesthetic tho. Ryan Gosling alone makes everything great due to sexiness. So I'm looking forward to 2049.
Also, I've watched Blade Runner Black Out 2022
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Postby BiQ » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:32 pm

Just came back from theatre....

By gods, it was great! While I don't agree with those who think it surpasses the original, I can actually see where they're coming from. This... is the rare exception where sequel justifies its existence.

And that said... I also don't like some things it does to the original movie.

And while this movie is watchable without seeing The original, lots of things are better if you have seen it first. ...And if you think '82 movie is slow, you're in for a nasty surprise here.
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Postby soul.assassin » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:16 pm

The original -- 2007 Final Cut, minus the "bus travel" scene (I prefer the one with that cut) -- is a tough watch earlier today, have to put on the thinking hat of watching it as a noir set in 2019. Of course, the classic final lines.

Am looking forward to watching 2049 tomorrow.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:25 am

Nobody told me that 2049 was gonna be the best movie all year. Everything about it is so great.

View Original PostBiQ wrote:By gods, it was great! While I don't agree with those who think it surpasses the original, I can actually see where they're coming from.

I’ll say it is better than the original, for I have long since agreed with Harrison Ford’s initial criticisms of the original Blade Runner film. (Basically there’s no detective work done on screen in a detective movie outside of the stupid “Enhance” scene.) I still respect aspects of the original film (but less so the original original film), but it can’t even get its own premise right.

Also, discussing the original Blade Runner as one singular film is hilarious. You will forever have to specify which original film it is you’re referring to, and it may not always be the original film. (Most people are referring to the 2007 Final Cut, which, technically, isn’t the original film either.)

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Postby soul.assassin » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:28 am

Came back from watching the film. Takes much effort for me to keep focused. Three hours, but what I really love is the world-building, as I was curious about what lay beyond Los Angeles of that universe, what disturbing secrets do they hide in the fog and in the sandstorms.

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Postby Falcon_of_the_Sun » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:50 pm

Saw it today (currently in Italy, waited for an 11am show with English audio and Italian subtitles on a Tuesday morning to minimize annoyance and in a 200 seat cinema of which about 10 were occupied I still managed to get the twat slurping his drink loudly 3 seats from me ffs).

What I liked:
- the visuals, the details, the atmosphere, the constant rain
- casting choices
- the slow pace
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- the whole "Her" (the Spike Jonze movie) thing between K and Joi
- the way the investigation pans out is at least decent, at least at the beginning. I think it could have been nicer if madame weren't to be killed and both LAPD and Wallace chased K.


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- the obvious silliness of Luv coming into a police morgue like it's a supermarket, dropping a guy like it's nothing and yet keep on going with her thing with total impunity. No CCTV? Building security? Make that two with the killing of Madam. At least say you are after her but you can't find her?
- the idea that K might be the child is presented a bit too soon
- some poor baddie choices (leaving K alive when capturing Deckard, way to little of escort on the way to the offworld
- the whole "we are gonna save/change the world" thing which is the surefire way of making me dislike a sci-fi movie, which had happened with Arrival already. I was expecting MUCH worse though, it's been kept to a minimum



My take, compared to the original, is that the "what/why is happening" is better in the new one, as I genunely think the old one was a bit flimsy as a plot, but the new one has some flaws as to "how is happening".

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Postby CommanderFish » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:23 am

Blade Runner 2049 was a fantastic film. Ray's cautious pessimism can be assuaged.
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Postby Joseki » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:27 pm

I saw the movie a few days ago, I had low expectation but I was wrong. The movie is amazing. I loved everything about it: it has a strong identity different from the original but it still feels life Blade Runner; the visuals are amazing and modern and the plot it's very interesting. My favorite live action of the year.

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:59 am

Went and saw Blade Runner 2049 the other night with my wife and Drinian.

Plot: C+ / B-

Honestly, I didn't think it was all that interesting, original, etc. I feel like I've seen the same story multiple times before. I also think some elements of the plot were underdeveloped and hard to follow. There's a part where K trips an explosive and is perfectly fine? And then Luv and her men take Decker and just leave K for dead? Why not make sure he's dead, or take him captive?

Pretty much everything else: A+

Pretty much every shot in the film was a work of art. The music and sound design were outstanding. The production design and effects were solid. The acting was pretty good, even if Ryan Gosling was basically the same character from Drive, and Harrison Ford put a bit too much grumpy Han Solo into Decker.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:41 am

^ It certainly has several flaws when it comes to the narrative & a few too many convenient logic jumps. It also a lot more of a traditional movie feel with a classical three-act structure rather than the weird poetic original. Which is why I have to bite my tongue when I hear people praise it for being better than the original.

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Narratively I did love how the film intentionally set you up to believe Ryan Gosling was "the chosen one" only to pull a third act reveal that he isn't. I'm personally exhausted by the superhero/superhuman "you're the chosen one" narratives going on right now. Easily one of my favorite elements of 2049.

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Postby The Eva Monkey » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:46 am

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:
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Narratively I did love how the film intentionally set you up to believe Ryan Gosling was "the chosen one" only to pull a third act reveal that he isn't. I'm personally exhausted by the superhero/superhuman "you're the chosen one" narratives going on right now. Easily one of my favorite elements of 2049.

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Mid-way through the film I was like "Really?" are you guys really going to be so predictable about this? I was pleased to have been thrown off, although my wife claims she saw through the twist right away when the memory maker cried.

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Postby Ray » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:18 pm

The Reason 2049 Bombed was because it was a sequel to a film that was.

a) A Cult Classic with a VERY SMALL fanbase.

b) Never popular in it's initial release because it was so nebulous and thematically dense, given it was coming out in an era where the audience wanted lighthearted popcorn Superhero fare and not dark meditations on the nature of humanity. (John Carpenters THE THING Suffered a similar fate coming out the same weekend as ET)

c) As I already stated. It's mere existence invalidates the original. Given the original Blade Runner was ENTIRELY about ambiguity and unanswered questions.
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Postby CommanderFish » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:45 pm

Ray wrote:As I already stated. It's mere existence invalidates the original. Given the original Blade Runner was ENTIRELY about ambiguity and unanswered questions.

Have you actually seen the new film?
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Postby movieartman » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:42 pm

View Original PostCommanderFish wrote:Have you actually seen the new film?

Lol seriously, if anything it elevated the ambiguity.

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Postby Guy Nacks » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:09 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:The Reason 2049 Bombed was because it was a sequel to a film that was.

a) A Cult Classic with a VERY SMALL fanbase.


It may have been a cult classic in, say, 1990, but now it's almost universally respected and/or admired, and has gone down as one of the most influential sci-fi films of all time. IMDB should not be taken as a be-all-end-all metric of anything, but the film does have over half a million votes on it, which is pretty sizeable.

b) Never popular in it's initial release because it was so nebulous and thematically dense, given it was coming out in an era where the audience wanted lighthearted popcorn Superhero fare and not dark meditations on the nature of humanity. (John Carpenters THE THING Suffered a similar fate coming out the same weekend as ET)


Pray tell, what lighthearted superhero movie franchises were around in 1982 other than Superman?

c) As I already stated. It's mere existence invalidates the original. Given the original Blade Runner was ENTIRELY about ambiguity and unanswered questions.


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Postby Sachi » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:48 pm

The marketing was weak and did nothing to attract potential new audiences. The most I ever encountered was a poster. I couldn't tell you anything about the film based on the marketing I saw other than old man Ford gets partnered with sexy Gosling (and I don't even know how true that is, because I still haven't it). The marketing simply didn't achieve its goal of getting people excited enough to leave their homes and see the movie. Happy Death Day, on the other hand, had killer marketing, and was much more suited to the month of its release than 2049, and probably sapped a good deal of 2049's potential market.
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:12 am

So the scene is set for 2049 to become another cult movie.
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Postby Ray » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:11 am

Pray tell, what lighthearted superhero movie franchises were around in 1982 other than Superman?


The original Blade Runner came out in an era that was saturated with either light-hearted (relatively) fare like (Again) ET, Star Trek 2, Conan the Barbarian, or much more terrible R rated fare (Friday the 13th) but much more accessible to a general audience. Teens who go out to the movie theaters aren't going to go out to go see smart movies they're going to go out to see stuff blow up, or to see their girlfriends scream when they see Jason Voorhees slice someone's head off.

We're in a similar era with this movie. We've got a whole bunch of superhero movies, some decent horror movies, and this particular environment a movie like Blade Runner which is about smart ideas and meditative and deep just can't make the audience care enough to go see it.

Then again. . . Logan and the IT remake were pretty smart movies and they pulled in the audiences.
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