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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:56 am

^ I agree. There isn't a whole lot about Eva Q especially that could be considered a remake, regardless of the amount of ass it may or may not have. (I think it only has Rei Q's full ass in that movie.)

You can hate NTE if you want, but if you wanna call NTE a half assed remake of NGE then you're going to have to explain to me how you thought Wille was handled much better in NGE than it was in NTE.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:33 pm

Why is action considered a flaw in the movies? It's not like NGE had a shortage of silly or over the top action. Hell, a significant chunk of Air is taken up by Asuka's fight against the SSDF and the Eva series. She jumped about 800 feet in the air to pirouette through a salvo of missiles and rockets. Plus the earlier episodes had Unit 02 leapfrogging between battleships and Shinji and Asuka doing a synchronized flying kick that knocked the Israfel twins a mile up a mountainside.

It sucks having to wait so long between movies, but I'm glad Anno was able to use that time to recharge his batteries and improve his own well-being. I'm eager to see what kind of ending this Anno will come up with as opposed to another rehash of End of Evangelion.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:03 am

^ Everyone seems to remember Eva differently. When I marathoned the series with a friend of mine, he was actually shocked by how much "dramatic talking moments" he seemed to have forgotten from his first viewing, seeming to remember there being far more action than drama. (And this is from a guy who can relate 100% to Shinji and his personal, social angsts that were presented in the dramatic moments.) Others tend to forget Double Lightning Kicks in Episode 9 in favor of remembering a shot where Misato sits on Shinji's bed amidst possible phallic imagery in Episode 23.

Add to the fact that many people appreciate Eva because "side character is best waifu," and these new films suddenly also somehow become blasphemous to Western audiences and their waifus.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:00 am

That's probably true. I remember marathoning Eva a few years ago after I took some entry level psychology courses in college, and I was struck by how pretentious and ham-handed some of the psychoanalysis scenes suddenly sounded. The average audience probably won't know most of that information, but man, that was jarring. :lol:

On the subject of waifus, I was also surprised by how scarce Rei becomes in the middle stretch of NGE. She really fades into the background after episode 6. I've heard a lot of particularly salty Rei enthusiasts on other boards declare that the movies are nothing more than Anno's hatred directed at them personally, but I think the movies have treated her much better if anything. She (in one form or another) remains engaged in the plot in all three movies and has a consistent character arc that sees her develop as a person thanks to her contact with Shinji.

The "missing" character development I don't see as a problem because the characters that are impacted by the change are on different trajectories. Case in point: Asuka. Her mother issues and infatuation with Kaji did add extra layers to her character, but those were linked to the overall narrative and building up to eventual payoffs with Kyoko revealing herself as Unit 02 and Kaji driving a wedge between Asuka, Misato, and Shinji. But since Kyoko does not appear to be Unit 02 this time and they decided to make Misato Asuka's only close friend until Mari shows up, there's no reason to include any of the events that built up to those things. People already accuse the movies of having dropped plotlines as it is (though I've never heard a good explanation of what those are supposed to be).

Ritsuko definitely was impacted, becoming a secondary or tertiary character that mostly handles jargon and exposition, but if she's not in on Gendo's plots and isn't going to be a traitor that mucks things up for him, there's no reason to give her significant build up because she's just not that important this time.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:43 pm

I was never sure of how "pretentious" any of the psychoanalysis scenes were simply because I don't know Japanese culture well enough to know if the metaphors they use (like "Hedgehog's Dilemma") have any greater significance or cultural normalization over there than they do in America. Also, seeing as how much of it is based on Freudian theories that were widely debunked long before NGE came about anyway, I always assumed that the psychoanalysis was more a part of the narrative tone, style, and world-building of Eva, and that it wasn't anything that should be taken anymore differently than the religious iconography or the Lightning Kicks that are also important to the series.
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Postby Sicarius VI » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:28 pm

@Blue, I'm going to be taking a College Psy. course this year... Oh boy.

I did take a high school course last year, and it just barley touched on Sigmund Freud and Psychoanalysis.
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Postby sephirotic » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:50 pm

@BLUE:
"There is no need to add background and deep exploration of the characters because we don't have time and they are already shallow anyway, so let's make them even more shallower".

I think some action scenes can be fun, but the original Eva series was much more focused on character development than action. It is true that since the characters are the same, redoing the same expositions and explorations of the characters would take much time of the films, if one wants to watch that format, they can always watch the original TV series... But how about people coming in contact with Eva for the first time through the Rebuild? I can only lament for what they are losing and how much the shocks of the original series would be lost watching the series AFTER the Rebuild.

The Evil is already done. Maybe a sequel would have been better after all, so people would have been forced to watch the TV Series eventually.

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Also, seeing as how much of it is based on Freudian theories that were widely debunked long before NGE came about anyway.

I would need an example of a Freudian theory present in Eva that was "debunked" and who made such "debunking".
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:56 pm

View Original Postsephirotic wrote:I would need an example of a Freudian theory present in Eva that was "debunked" and who made such "debunking".

You're going to have to read the works of Karl Popper for a more analytical approach to the criticisms of Freudian theories. But the short version is simply that Freud didn't use scientific or even statistical measures in his studies, making his claims inherently unfalsifiable. Sure, he might have been on to something, and he should be credited as the father of psychoanalysis, but many of his approaches to the human psyche involved only a small group of test subjects without that much variety to them at all. (Basically he interviewed a number of housewives and made grand statements about the entire human psyche based on that small, monotonous group of people.)
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Postby sephirotic » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:26 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:You're going to have to read the works of Karl Popper for a more analytical approach to the criticisms of Freudian theories. But the short version is simply that Freud didn't use scientific or even statistical measures in his studies, making his claims inherently unfalsifiable.


Of course I'm aware of Poper's criticism as well as many others that claim that Psychoanalysis is not science. This is a recurring criticism that we, psychologist students learn to hear early as we study Freud, the scientific method for cognitive researches as well as philosophy and social "science".

Psychoanalysis indeed can't be considered an exact science as it is not falsifiable, but claiming that that the models of the human mind and all the methods developed by Freud are "invalid" , "useless" or "debunked" is foolish and often a common view from many North Americans with a over-scientificism view of the world. This same mindset have been vastly influenced by a superficial view in Behavioristic Psychology which doesn't really dares to try and explore the depths of the human mind.
Some particular theories of Freud indeed have become clearly outdated and irrelevant to this day, but most of the foundations of modern Psychoanalysis relevant theories based on his explanations of the Conscious and Unconscious mind as well as several other concepts such as transference, free association, as well as es, Ich, Uberich and the mechanisms of escapism of neurosis have stood the test of time and to this day there are still tests confirming how talk therapy based on modern psychoanalytical treatments based on old Freud's foundation actually works while the Psychiatric drugs are facing a crisis of much higher relapse rate for those that weren't treated with any sort of therapy, specially those with origins in psychoanalysis.

And I haven't seen Eva bringing the particular more absurd claims assumptions Freud made, such as masturbation causing abdominal pain (or the worst model widely accepted to be wrong today: The penis envy). No one take those kinda of things serious. The most significant model that Freud proposed present in Eva, the Oedipal Complex, is perhaps the most controversial one, but those that criticize it often fail to see that it is not meant to be considered that the child literally wants to do what Oedipus did in the old Greek mythology, but is an allegory of the process of expanding ones sexual/pleasure drives outside of oneself and towards the closest person to them, usually the mother. There is nothing "debunked" in this model if you read it in detail and the modern takes about it.
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Postby mastafishere » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:31 pm

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... ts/.106523

Relevant part: Anno also responded to a remark from an audience member saying that he/she would wait as long as it took for the fourth Rebuild of Evangelion film. He first thanked the audience, and then said, "I'll work hard on it. As a matter of fact, I'm already working hard on it."

The way he says "I'm already working hard on it" suggests to me he wasn't expecting to work on it at this stage. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but maybe Final is a lot further off than we hoped? Either way, I agree with the audience member, I'll wait as long as it takes.

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:54 pm

Mmm...I don't think there's enough information there to infer anything about the film's progress one way or the other. At least we know it is being worked on for sure now!
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Postby Sicarius VI » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:44 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Mmm...I don't think there's enough information there to infer anything about the film's progress one way or the other. At least we know it is being worked on for sure now!


Agree.
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Postby mastafishere » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:34 am

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:Mmm...I don't think there's enough information there to infer anything about the film's progress one way or the other. At least we know it is being worked on for sure now!


Yeah, I figured I was looking too much into. Maybe I'm just trying not to get my hopes up too high! Still, knowing concretely that he's working on it now is something at least!

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Postby FullMetalBiscuit » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:52 am

Confirmation that progress is being made is all that I need. We've waited this long, we can wait longer.

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Postby Ray » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:08 pm

Official confirmation that Khara has begun/resumed production on the last movie.

http://www.keengamer.com/article/14235_ ... production
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Postby hui43210 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:58 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Official confirmation that Khara has begun/resumed production on the last movie.

http://www.keengamer.com/article/14235_ ... production


Same interview, different site reporting on it, not that there's any doubt that's being worked on now.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:34 pm

Now we can officially continue speculating and waiting for news. :tongue:
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:38 am

If they just started production expect things to go dark for a good year with no teases or anything. Then at some point we'll be treated to a little 15 second video and we'll all lose our collective shit. Even the fans who have spent the past four years passionately hating on 3.0.

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Postby TheFriskyIan » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:41 am

I'm sure the studio was working on some things related to the film while Anno was busy with Godzilla. Also according to his comments, it seems like there was a small time he was working on it after his depression but before he accepted Godzilla, so I imagine the movie didn't just start at step one.
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Postby robersora » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:01 am

I think a release in late 2017 might be feasible, if they use the apparently already completed script.
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