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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Ray » Sun May 15, 2016 5:37 pm

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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon May 16, 2016 8:48 am

View Original PostStillborn wrote:I just don't consider Evangelion hopeful.

The Japanese word for "hope" is dropped multiple times in a thematic fashion throughout the entire NGE series, and its last installment had an ending less than happy.

I'm having a hard time remembering if "hope" was ever mentioned at all in NTE. If it was it doesn't seemed to be interwoven into the narrative as a core theme in the storytelling.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby TheFriskyIan » Mon May 16, 2016 9:49 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I'm having a hard time remembering if "hope" was ever mentioned at all in NTE. If it was it doesn't seemed to be interwoven into the narrative as a core theme in the storytelling.

Wasn't "Hope" a kind of big thing near the end of Q?
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Jurrasic » Mon May 16, 2016 1:57 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:The Japanese word for "hope" is dropped multiple times in a thematic fashion throughout the entire NGE series, and its last installment had an ending less than happy.

I'm having a hard time remembering if "hope" was ever mentioned at all in NTE. If it was it doesn't seemed to be interwoven into the narrative as a core theme in the storytelling.


Shinji called the twin Longinus spears 'our spears of hope' at least once while climbing up Lilith's corpse. That's about the only direct mention of the word I can recall in 3.33 at least. Not sure about previous movies, but I think hope for the future was implied with the (Tree of Life-shaped) Ocean Reclaimation Station in 2.22.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby xanderkh » Mon May 16, 2016 2:00 pm

While I don't agree with you stance on Evangelion being forced or not having a hopeful message Stillborn, I applaud you for now extending the feeling of hope and happiness instead of you having the view of negativity against all facets of life like you used to. Glad to see that you're making an improvement.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby pwhodges » Mon May 16, 2016 2:07 pm

View Original PostJurrasic wrote:Shinji called the twin Longinus spears 'our spears of hope' at least once while climbing up Lilith's corpse. That's about the only direct mention of the word I can recall in 3.33 at least.

The trailer at the end says that Shinji will find hope in the next film.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Bagheera » Mon May 16, 2016 2:27 pm

The Wunder's been called the ship of hope, though I have no idea where the title came from. I don't recall hearing it in Q but I might easily have missed it.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Arcadia's legacy » Mon May 16, 2016 2:55 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:The Wunder's been called the ship of hope, though I have no idea where the title came from.

Space Battleship Yamato of course
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Bagheera » Mon May 16, 2016 2:57 pm

View Original PostArcadia's legacy wrote:Space Battleship Yamato of course


Some checking tells me it was Ritsuko, actually.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Arcadia's legacy » Mon May 16, 2016 3:01 pm

In-universe yes
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby BlueBasilisk » Mon May 16, 2016 4:32 pm

Hope's mentioned a few times. Ship of hope. Kaworu says Shinji needs to find it and that they'll restore hope to the Lilin. Shinji calls the spears their only hope. It's in the end trailer narration, and I think Kaworu also drops it when he's telling Shinji about Third Impact. "There's always hope" or somesuch.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue May 17, 2016 7:34 am

It's not tied into the narrative in such a thematic way as it was in NGE. (Heck, people started talking about "hope" way back in Ep 7.) And if anything its usage in Eva Q leads to a false hope, as demonstrated by the actions of Gendo and Kaworu. I really wouldn't use specifically Eva Q references to argue anything "hopeful" being promised in the next film.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Arcadia's legacy » Tue May 17, 2016 8:28 am

I imagine the next time preview saying Shinji finds hope would be an exception then
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Ray » Tue May 17, 2016 12:33 pm

View Original PostArcadia's legacy wrote:I imagine the next time preview saying Shinji finds hope would be an exception then


Ha! Fake laugh, hiding real pain.

Eva is tragedy, and whatever happy moments are in it are simply there for contrast. It's held true in every other part of the franchise, it'll hold true for 3.0+1.0/4.0/Final/whatever the title ends up being.

But back on topic. Where are the promos? Where's the sneak peek? Where's the teaser trailer?
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Arcadia's legacy » Tue May 17, 2016 12:37 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Eva is tragedy, and whatever happy moments are in it are simply there for contrast.

I'd say it's more coming of age than tragedy, seeing that both EoE and Final (will most likely after what the preview told us) end with hope
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Bagheera » Tue May 17, 2016 12:48 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Eva is tragedy,


Except it isn't, as has been explained to you many times.

It's held true in every other part of the franchise,


And this is just blatantly false.
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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby xanderkh » Tue May 17, 2016 2:39 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:
Eva is tragedy, and whatever happy moments are in it are simply there for contrast. It's held true in every other part of the franchise, it'll hold true for 3.0+1.0/4.0/Final/whatever the title ends up being.


Uh, HELLO? Have you read some of the other Evangelion Manga, even the OFFICIAL Manga? Shinji Ikari Raising Project? Angelic Days? HECK, even RE-TAKE!?

Do those end in tragedy? I don't think so. ^_^
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue May 17, 2016 4:09 pm

View Original Postxanderkh wrote:HECK, even RE-TAKE!?


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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby Sicarius VI » Tue May 17, 2016 7:06 pm

Ok I just want to put a small note that I did not make this thread for the intention to be speculating about events of the movie or to generally start arguments about Evangelion in general. Just wanted to discuss the possibility of getting this movie in 2016 or not and what it turned into of a possible teaser trailer this year.

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Re: Evangelion 3+1, No 2016 Release?

Postby xanderkh » Tue May 17, 2016 8:23 pm

^

Unfortunately Sicarius, that's pretty much a given with the Evangelion fandom now, considering how split this fandom is being now thanks to Rebuild.

Apparently, people only seem to exist in a spectrum of Black and White when in comes to negativity and optimism. It's either all sunshine and rainbows, or misery and pain. :um:
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