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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:19 pm

I say sexualize everybody so that I can enjoy my eye candy in peace.

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Postby gatotsu911 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:10 pm

Women are becoming an increasingly recognized and lucrative demographic for popular entertainment. Sex sells.

Fair's fair.

Also what Nuke said. If you're gonna shove gratuitous tits in my face Hollywood/Japan, at least put in something for the ladies to assuage my guilty conscience. That's what being progressive is all about.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:35 pm

^ I'm not sure that "progressive" is all about more nude human bodies as eye candy. In fact, I think that's "pornography." Different "P" word.

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Postby Sachi » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:44 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:^ I'm not sure that "progressive" is all about more nude human bodies as eye candy. In fact, I think that's "pornography." Different "P" word.

It's progressive in the sense that it normalizes sexuality and diminishes the stigma surrounding it. If more people are used to it, then less people are likely to be prudish about seeing the naked body.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:49 pm

That felt more like a dig at progressive values on the whole, reducing the entire affair to assuaging a guilty conscience.
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Postby gatotsu911 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:15 pm

It was a cynical dig, yes, and more at the popular practice of progressivism than its ostensible values.

The rest of the post was in earnest.

I'm not sure that the trafficking of crass titillation and objectification of the human body as commercial entertainment is really a good thing for society on the whole (and, people being people and having the appetites that they have, that's more or less an inevitability in any free society and free market) but if you're gonna do it anyway there's no harm in being egalitarian about it.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:15 am

View Original PostSachi wrote:It's progressive in the sense that it normalizes sexuality and diminishes the stigma surrounding it. If more people are used to it, then less people are likely to be prudish about seeing the naked body.

Nudity is far more than sexuality. It can also convey vulnerability, confidence, naturalness, and so on. It's one of the reasons why I find its usage in the arts so interesting. It means different things in different scenarios.

Also, I might be a bit unclear as to what this term "normalizing" is supposed to mean. Are we taking "Nudity should be so normal that full-frontal will be in PG rated films"? Is that what we mean by normalizing nudity? If so, why? Nothing is really gained by this. And I can't comprehend the usage of the term to mean "normalizing nudity in R rated films," since those are already as "normal" as people are willing to pay to see them.

Furthermore, nudity is often used to celebrate the human body, and nothing that's celebrated can really ever be considered "normal." Christmas is celebrated because it's a major holiday that occurs only once a year. In this sense, it's not a "normal" day. Instead, it's a celebrated "special" day. "Normalizing" Christmas would mean to make it as typical as a Monday or something, and then we would never really celebrate it like we used to. In fact, not being able to consider Christmas as "special" as it once was would be one of the major factors keeping the day from being "normalized" — as a culture we love the celebration too much to simply make it normal. The same principle, I feel, would also apply to nudity. People celebrate nudity too much to really be comfortable making it feel all normal and crap.

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Postby Bagheera » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:43 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Also, I might be a bit unclear as to what this term "normalizing" is supposed to mean. Are we taking "Nudity should be so normal that full-frontal will be in PG rated films"? Is that what we mean by normalizing nudity? If so, why? Nothing is really gained by this.


I think there's potentially a lot gained by that, actually. If our yardstick becomes less "is there nudity?" and more "what is actually happening?" I think it would help us to unclench as a society and eventually learn to get over ourselves. So, naked body? PG. Explicit sexual content? That's more R territory. This approach might finally see violent films regulated more heavily than films that show a bit of skin, which is as it should be.
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Postby TheCarkolum » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:05 pm

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:I say sexualize everybody so that I can enjoy my eye candy in peace.


What? I mean, what's the point of sexualizing? If you wanna get horny, just watch porn or a shitty ecchi for that matter. Don't get me wrong, you can sexualize adequately and with subtlety in order to make a character more warm or cute sometimes (like in FLCL or Azumanga Daioh), but that's hardly ever needed. Seeing the urgency to sexualize everything and everybody is just a fetish which is throwing in when creators are incompetent and/or too stupid to put any effort in their work and they wanna sell by any means. It's cancerous.
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Postby Sachi » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:19 pm

Equal opportunity sexualization. If media is going to sexualize at all (and don't worry, it will), might as all make it across the board. NGE, for example, has a Kaworu and a Kaji (and a Gendo, because power is the ultimate sexy).

If sexualization of one particular sex is not okay, then everything should just be made vanilla. No fun allowed.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:49 am

Equal opportunity sexualization is gonna be a complex thing to discuss, simply because a shirtless man is expected to mean something totally different to audiences than a shirtless woman, despite the equal amount of clothing. And that's if we're only going for "nudity as sexualization," rather than sexualization in any other form, which is inherently going to be somewhat less tangible to discuss.

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Postby robersora » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:58 am

Make the movies sexy again!

I don't watch too many movies, I tend to watch only ones I'm hyped enough to turn a blind eye to all their flaws. That being said, if a movie is shit, but the people in it are beautiful, then I feel like I at least haven't wasted my money entirely, lol.

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:Equal opportunity sexualization is gonna be a complex thing to discuss, simply because a shirtless man is expected to mean something totally different to audiences than a shirtless woman,


I've never thought about it that way... I always felt that naked men are eye candy for people who wanna see them and vice-versa.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:27 am

Well, the key word there is "expected." Filmmakers in Hollywood are mostly made up of straight men, and they and the MPAA don't see the male nipple as scandalous as the female nipple. Whether or not that's true for the audiences watching the movies as well is a different topic of discussion.

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Postby robersora » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:38 am

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America's fear of sex and nudity (which is represented by their weird rating system) is something I'll never understand.
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