Why I Don't Like Mari

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The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby Asuka'sBigBrother » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:14 am

View Original Postkuribo-04 wrote:Rebuild is already filled with meta commentary I'd argue. 3.0 specifically (which imo is the best of the three, let's agree to disagree on that) seems to target RahXephon specifically (an online pal of mine could go more in-depth) to show how post-Eva works just took Eva's aesthetics to create more power fantasies (hence Shinji's shonen moment at the end of 2.0, which is where the RahXephon commentary starts, destroying the world, and Shinji (not) being able to redo things in the third installment, which would have been another wish fulfillment fantasy). The Wille staff has uniforms similar to RahXephons even.

Interesting. I'd need more evidence to be convinced but it's an interesting theory.

Also...
RahXephon

let's call it what it really is
Discount NGE

It's literally a boring NGE copy. And they weren't even inconspicuous about it either. They even copied the water drop animation. :facepalm:
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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:23 am

I like Mari so far, but I think that we’re going to have to wait until Final before I can fully judge her.

I’m also interested in seeing exactly how she’ll “destroy Eva”.
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:36 am

View Original PostAsuka'sBigBrother wrote:It's literally a boring NGE copy.

Well, you're certainly consistent. I mean, if you view RahXephon as an NGE ripoff, I guess you're bound to see Rebuild the same way.

I prefer not to hold such broad-brush views, but to look at things in their own light as far as possible - and in particular, to accept that influences, or even homage, are not the same as rip-off.
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Postby Asuka'sBigBrother » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:26 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:Well, you're certainly consistent. I mean, if you view RahXephon as an NGE ripoff, I guess you're bound to see Rebuild the same way.

Not really. Rebuild starts out telling NGE's story with variations and then diverges. RahXephon acts as if it is its own story but rip offs NGE for dialogue, plot, characterization, and thematic significance from beginning to end.

Rebuild isn't a ripoff, its a retelling. RahXephon is just a ripoff.
to accept that influences, or even homage, are not the same as rip-off.

My views aren't "broad-brush", I differentiate between inspired work and copied work. It's a shame that Xephon is the latter and not the former.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:47 am

View Original PostAsuka'sBigBrother wrote:RahXephon
We have threads for that.
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Postby Cybermat47 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:58 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:We have threads for that.


To be fair, posting in the most recent one of those threads would be necroing a thread that died five years ago.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:59 am

I'll actually get back to this pal of mine, he knew more about this.
I think it would deserve its own topic then.
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Postby kuribo-04 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Shinji: "Sooner or later I'll be betrayed... And they'll leave me. Still... I want to meet them again, because I believe my feelings at that time were real."
Ryuko: "I'm gonna knock ya on your asses!"
-Asuka: THINK IN GERMAN!!! -Shinji: Öh... Baumkuchen...
Hayashida: "As game developers, our work is special. All of us here can put smiles on very many people's faces with our work."
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