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Postby Reichu » Fri Apr 08, 2016 4:50 am

View Original Postzlink64 wrote:I wouldn't call them imperfections.

Well, if it needs the characters to act like idiots in order to make its dramatic contrivances work, are these not imperfections? Is there any real reason why they have to be there? Would it have been impossible to correct them without sacrificing anything of importance with another draft or two?

This is a work that was thrown together on a tight schedule. Creating airtight logic is not a luxury that would have been afforded the team, so of course there are going to be a lot of problems that emerge with a bit of scrutiny. Good direction does have the power to make the flaws less noticeable and important, however.

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Postby zlink64 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:04 am

Well crap like that happens in art/movies all the time. Sometime it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I think in this example it works. I mean you can call it an imperfection but really that's just an attitude you are choosing to have towards it. Also the holes in logic aren't that huge. Gendo is dumb I guess but yeah I dunno just doesn't seem that bad to me I guess. Like it fits the narrative to me.
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Postby pwhodges » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:07 am

For me it works as part of the story, and characterising Misato's and Gendou's imperfections. They still wind me up though!
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Postby zlink64 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:11 am

Yeah now that I think about it Misato was being a bit of drama queen when she stalled in not telling Shinji. Misato is my favorite character...please don't make me hate her lol.
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Postby xanderkh » Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:00 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I find myself chronically peeved at all of the characters in this satanic vehicle for constantly failing to do and say all of the things that I, as an upstanding white bread Christian of impeccable moral character and virtue, would unflinchingly manage to do in perfectly equivalent circumstances. May this cast of sick, sinful pagans burn in the fires of damnation for all eternity.


Hmmmmm, now why does this sound so freaking familiar? :devil:

For me, every one of the characters frustrated me in some degree that resulted in the fucked up disaster at the end. Really highlights the poor communication and understanding between them all.
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Postby SawItAtAge10 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:36 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:I find myself chronically peeved at all of the characters in this satanic vehicle for constantly failing to do and say all of the things that I, as an upstanding white bread Christian of impeccable moral character and virtue, would unflinchingly manage to do in perfectly equivalent circumstances. May this cast of sick, sinful pagans burn in the fires of damnation for all eternity.


Yikes! Where did this surge of aggression come from??
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:51 pm

View Original PostSawItAtAge10 wrote:Yikes! Where did this surge of aggression come from??


She's being sarcastic.
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Postby zlink64 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:19 pm

^ that's why people should try to read whole thread lol
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Postby Kendrix » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:24 pm

Maybe Misato in episode 24 when she realized Shinji wasn't coming home/ was at Kaworu's/ just generally couldn't bring herself to really approach Shinji after Kaji's death, but, I don't think I was really angry at anyone.

I mean, it's not like I didn't feel immense tension/frustration at the expected moments ("ETF Asuka? He could be DEAD! - Just cover her back up, what are you doing? - Just get in the robot! No, don't pull the spears!") but I usually understood why things ended up the way they did even if I wish they hadn't.

I feel Ritsuko smirking while confronting Shinji with the place of his mother's death deserves a mention of some sort.
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Postby cunning linguist » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:27 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:I find myself chronically peeved at all of the characters in this satanic vehicle for constantly failing to do and say all of the things that I, as an upstanding white bread Christian of impeccable moral character and virtue, would unflinchingly manage to do in perfectly equivalent circumstances. May this cast of sick, sinful pagans burn in the fires of damnation for all eternity.


The worst moment of all time was when Toji flashed Asuka his baloney pony. So rude. I hate it when cartoons are mean to each other!

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Postby NONAME » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:20 pm

I was a bit surprised and disappointed when I found that Ritsuko had a secret relationship with Gendo, the same mistake as her mum. Throughout the series she didn't seem to have any interest in love, I even thought she was asexual. But I also liked this, because it made the character more human, and I completely empathise with the things she did later. Hell, even when she cried at the Dummy Plug she seemed so cool to me. It's my favourite character along with Asuka.

And well, at first I was disappointed with Shinji in EoE, but then I remember it was Shinji, you never know what to expect of him.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:13 am

Shinji in EOE I could bring up many so many things but I think what he did to Asuka in the hospital was the worst for me and it really caused me to really dislike that universes version of his character and even now I prefer his rebuild and manga version over the EOE Shinji any day.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:21 pm

The fanbase.

Most of the time.

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Postby xanderkh » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:05 pm

^

Seconded.

Some elements anyway.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:01 pm

The fandom is an Eva character? That's so meta my head might explode.

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Postby NONAME » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:12 am

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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:11 pm

I'm disappointed that Mari and Asuka do not have British and German accents! Does that count? :tongue:

I thought I'd mentioned it in this thread before, but I've always been a little disappointed with the way Misato handled Asuka's breakdown in the final stretch. It seemed like she didn't try to intervene until Asuka ran away and section 2 found her in a bathtub. The director's cut adds that scene where Asuka's in the bathroom screaming her heart out and it cuts to Misato sitting in her room with this sort of angry expression on her face. She's heartbroken over Kaji's death and trying to follow up where he left off, but still.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:16 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:I thought I'd mentioned it in this thread before, but I've always been a little disappointed with the way Misato handled Asuka's breakdown in the final stretch. It seemed like she didn't try to intervene until Asuka ran away and section 2 found her in a bathtub. The director's cut adds that scene where Asuka's in the bathroom screaming her heart out and it cuts to Misato sitting in her room with this sort of angry expression on her face. She's heartbroken over Kaji's death and trying to follow up where he left off, but still.


I totality agree with your thoughts on how Misato handles Asuka's break down that was really awful.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:35 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:I thought I'd mentioned it in this thread before, but I've always been a little disappointed with the way Misato handled Asuka's breakdown in the final stretch. It seemed like she didn't try to intervene until Asuka ran away and section 2 found her in a bathtub. The director's cut adds that scene where Asuka's in the bathroom screaming her heart out and it cuts to Misato sitting in her room with this sort of angry expression on her face. She's heartbroken over Kaji's death and trying to follow up where he left off, but still.


That scene is one of the few real gripes I have with NGE, since it paints Misato in a really bad light. I wish that cut to her showed her looking helpless and/or distressed, since it would indicate that she was aware of Asuka's breakdown but wasn't equipped to stop it. She literally did not know what to do, and could only stand by helplessly while the girl disintegrated before her. I think that's what we're meant to believe happened, but that shot does a really poor job of conveying that impression.
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Postby Glor » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:57 pm

Well, one of Eva's themes is an inability to communicate. People are hard to deal with, and it's difficult for most people to see outside of their own paradigms, so getting frustrated at someone else for throwing their baggage all over the place when you have plenty enough to deal with is understandable. People are selfish, and we see that in all of Anno's characters.
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