If he's actually alive... [Kaji and Misato's relationship]

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Postby IfallOnTragedy » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:57 pm

View Original PostSicarius VI wrote:As for Kaji, I bet he doesn't even appear in 4.0, but it's never made clear if he is alive or dead.


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Not something you say to refer to a dead man I think.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:42 pm

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:Pretty sure Kaji's alive & that he's going to be the one to give Shinji some major exposition. He's always been the one adult who openly speaks to Shinji. That was kinda his whole deal in 2.0.

You're really the only one on this entire forum who can get my hopes up over anything in this production, you know that? I'm usually more the "Let's wait and see what Anno wants" kinda guy, but I seriously want to sacrifice someone's first-born child to get some of the things you say to happen in these films.

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Postby unz » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:42 am

View Original PostIfallOnTragedy wrote:
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Not something you say to refer to a dead man I think.


More than content you want to wonder why namedropping while Shinji can't hear that to be punched in the gut later, I can only assume it to be a suggestion to the audience Kaji is somewhere doing stuff.:/
Could be dead and everything to add to Misato's character which is a possibility but that doesn't help does it.

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Postby Ray » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:48 am

If he's anything like the way Misato is in 3.0. I would prefer that he doesn't make an appearance. I already had my heart ripped out once.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:00 am

I doubt it. Q did its emotional job, there's no point of Final to simply repeat that
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:04 am

View Original PostRay wrote:If he's anything like the way Misato is in 3.0. I would prefer that he doesn't make an appearance. I already had my heart ripped out once.

"Misato in 3.0" hahahaha!

Misato's always been the no-nonsense, "I'll do it myself" kind of character in both versions of Evangelion. She simply seems to be less "Beer is good" this time around as well, sobering her out a bit more. (Kinda like how it also happened in the original NGE. She got off the booze and spoke more direct and cold things to Shinji there too.)

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Postby IfallOnTragedy » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:51 pm

View Original Postunz wrote:More than content you want to wonder why namedropping while Shinji can't hear that to be punched in the gut later, I can only assume it to be a suggestion to the audience Kaji is somewhere doing stuff.:/
Could be dead and everything to add to Misato's character which is a possibility but that doesn't help does it.


There's no purpose in namedropping Kaji in that manner if he wasn't alive. They could have not mentioned him, or alluded to him in the way of Toji, and that would have accomplished the "Oh guess Kaji's dead" feeling just fine. But the assumption the want is for us to figure he is alive.

Which brings me to the question, since he's alive, what his relationship with Misato would look like. Just because Misato is unfeeling towards Shinji and maybe the crew means she does not have a good relationship with Kaji? I don't think so.

And agreed. Seeing Kaji again (even if he's more "gruff") would be much preferable to him being killed off backscreen when he only appeared in one movie.

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Postby unz » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:52 pm

I was supporting your post, if he's dead they can't have a relationship and the constant reminder of the line being gratuitous but not that explicit only to say he's dead or something doesn't help discuss things does it?

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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:38 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:I seriously want to sacrifice someone's first-born child to get some of the things you say to happen in these films.

WOULD YOU SACRIFICE Misato AND Kaji'S FIRST-BORN!?!
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Postby unz » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:05 am

^Hah so many sad ways to make room for Shinji.

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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:51 pm

View Original PostBlueBasilisk wrote:I almost made a joke about Kaji being a stay at home dad in the next movie. :lol:

Shit I wanted to make that one! :lol:
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:24 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:WOULD YOU SACRIFICE Misato AND Kaji'S FIRST-BORN!?!

No, but only because that would mean not seeing their first born in the film itself.

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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:04 pm

You're welcome.

It just makes sense to me that Kaji is alive & he'll the one to give Shinji the context he needs. Misato & Asuka are very inwardly drawn people so they're opening up to Shinji is a conflict. While he's a mystery professionally & politically - what with being a double/triple agent - as a person Kaji has always been an open book. Isn't he the one who opens up to Shinji about what life was like after Second Impact in Sadamoto's manga? It's 100% in his character. So the idea that he's the one person who could sit Shinji down, pour him a drink - maybe some of the world's last canned coffee - & give Shinji the down low on what happened right after he went under & what Misato has gone through over the past 14 years sounds like solid storytelling/character work 101. And regardless of what faults people have with Anno the storyteller his grasp on character work has always been tops.

After what went down in 3.0, Shinji through his own foolish actions - all from selfish/noble intentions - has driven an even greater wedge between himself & the Willie gang. Even best girl Sakura Suzuhara is going to treat him different in the final film. If anyone is going to welcome the kid with open arms & no judgement it's going to Kaji. I'm still hoping against hope the emotional centerpiece of Final is going to be Misato opening up to Shinji but, I'm thinking Kaji is going to be a big part of the last film.

I'm hoping he'll have a beard.

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Postby Sicarius VI » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:13 pm

View Original PostIfallOnTragedy wrote:
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Not something you say to refer to a dead man I think.


That wasn't to be taken seriously. The second sentence that you didn't respond too however is my stand on things.
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:56 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:WOULD YOU SACRIFICE Misato AND Kaji'S FIRST-BORN!?!

...who was named "Shinji" in memory of a boy presumed lost within an apparently no longer accessible Evangelion. What happens when the 10yo Shinji and the 15yo Shinji meet, I wonder.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:56 pm

There can be only one answer. They must kung fu fight.

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Postby Reichu » Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:52 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:...who was named "Shinji"

I have more respect for Misato than that. :yuck:
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Postby Ray » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:18 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I have more respect for Misato than that. :yuck:


Funny. Because after 3.0 I honestly have NO respect for Misato, and I don't expect that to change in Final.
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Postby Arcadia's legacy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:25 am

Even though she's barely different than she was in the previous films as FFF4ever pointed out earlier
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Postby unz » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:13 am

I'm just expecting Kaji to appear for whatever deal he has with Mari beyond destroying evas, whatever he suspects about her. Girls do the work for him so you can expect at least Asuka/Mari/Misato to feed Shinji a couple of interesting lines and shoving some reality to his face - kind of what happened until now.
They probably speak for him being reasonable and not going full gendo.

...who was named "Shinji" in memory of a boy presumed lost within an apparently no longer accessible Evangelion. What happens when the 10yo Shinji and the 15yo Shinji meet, I wonder


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