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Postby CJD » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:06 pm

View Original PostÆnimal wrote:in some countries, it is customary for couples to be wed at the ripe age of 12-15; i would give you a source but i'm drawing blanks right now


Which would be fine (actually, that's not fine, not at all fine, but we're talking about from a narrative standpoint here, not an ethical one) if Japan was one of those countries.

As for your other point, I can almost accept it as them just being naive kids, but that doesn't explain why all the adults are ok with it.

it's only a silly fanfic


Not really an excuse, unfortunately.
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Postby Stillborn » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:15 pm

View Original PostCJD wrote:Which would be fine (actually, that's not fine, not at all fine, but we're talking about from a narrative standpoint here, not an ethical one) if Japan was one of those countries.

As for your other point, I can almost accept it as them just being naive kids, but that doesn't explain why all the adults are ok with it.



Not really an excuse, unfortunately.


If I remember correctly, Asuka stated that since they are pilots, they could day the very next day. So I think it's under the lines that if they are old enough to risk their lives for other, they are old enough to get married.
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Postby CJD » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:36 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:If I remember correctly, Asuka stated that since they are pilots, they could day the very next day. So I think it's under the lines that if they are old enough to risk their lives for other, they are old enough to get married.


Yea I recall that too. Still stupid as hell.
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Postby TheDrmcvey » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:08 pm

There are a lot of things I do like about Re-Take, but unfortunately the author doesn't understand the character of Shinji Ikari. Shinji only looked at Asuka as a way of escaping pain, not as his love. By the end of EoE, he was starting to accept her as a friend that he needed to live with, not to love.

With Re-Take, the author assumes that Shinji was already madly in love with Asuka, which made his character unbelievable to me while reading it.

However I will say that the author did understand Asuka's character quite well, so kudos to him or her on that part.
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Postby Dream » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:48 pm

Paraphrased CJD wrote:god the wedding subplot was stupid as hell


Wait, that happened?

*checks Re-take*

Ahahaha oh holy shit i can't believe i forgot that :rofl:
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Postby Koneko_Hime » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:11 am

You know at first I really hated the idea and what I read of the summary on here. mostly cause of the whole Rei thing. but I'm slowly warming up to it :) I actually knew about it when I first started the series, years back, but I didn't know about the hentai or anything. and I sort of read it but got lazy and didn't finish the rest, so whatever I read I didn't see anything graphic. maybe it was the all-ages version who knows.

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Postby ts2mars » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:13 am

Hey Guys,

Just finished this gem. I agree with a lot of people here that Re-take was really really good, with an ending that was much more satisfying for me than EoE. At the same time, I also agree that the wedding was pretty dumb and Shinji was a little out of character.

I did have a few questions though. I searched through this thread but I'm still a little confused and was wondering if someone could help me out?

1) What exactly was Ghost Asuka's plan? Just to torture Shinji in whichever world he goes to? Until he can't take it anymore and kills himself and goes back to the 'real' world with her where they're the only ones left?

2) I don't really get the lines that Ghost Asuka says to Shinji in Volume 3" "Alright, kill me however you like, but in the end, please die with me." Does this die mean go back to the 'real' world where it's just them two?

3) Why is Ghost Asuka opposing the idea that Shinji wants to sacrifice himself to save everyone in the alternate world? Wouldn't he just go back to the 'real' world with her in the end just like she wanted?

4) In Re-take After, I don't really understand Asuka's motivations. She decides to reject Shinji at the airport because ??? She already admits to herself that she loves him. Is it because she thinks that Shinji fell in love with the prideful Asuka, and so she wants to display this pride of hers by rejecting him? Is that right? To basically keep his love for her intact even though that means they won't be together?

If that's correct, then why does she end up regretting her decision after reading her lost memories back in Germany? Didn't she already know that she had loved him before?

5) Right after regretting her decision to reject Shinji, was she heading back to Japan to find him when she bumps into him outsider her place? She had a case and looked like she was traveling somewhere, but then she tells Shinji she was just going to work. Also, why does Shinji act like he doesn't know her by saying "It's Asuka, right?"


Sorry if any of these were already answered in this thread, but I didn't see anything while browsing through them! Thanks in advance!

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Postby Kendrix » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:50 am

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View Original PostSimplyMason0 wrote:But my biggest of all is people claiming Re-Take is worthy enough to be EoE's ending or BETTER than Anno. Retake is just a fanfic and porn. Nothing more. People have recommended it to newcomers and gets special treatment when it doesn't deserve it.


I don't think you should diss something based on it having sex scenes - There's an all ages version with the story still intact, ans Sex IS a part of human life like any other, especially if you're writing a goddamn romance story.

Other than that, I completely agree with the better than cannon/special treatment of FReTake. It's awfully paced, has obvious character bashing in it and gets rather twillight-esque at times - It's a mediocre fanfic. Perhaps an above average one if your personal taste says so, but it essentially missed the whole point of EoE.

Also, I don't think that anyone (correct me with links if I'm wrong) acftually claimed that what Shinji did was in any way "good" or "okay" - that's a completely different thing from claimings it's understandable/realistic under the circumstances. Regardless of wether you agree with that, it's just a very distinct claim.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Other than that, I completely agree with the better than cannon/special treatment of FReTake. It's awfully paced, has obvious character bashing in it and gets rather twillight-esque at times - It's a mediocre fanfic. Perhaps an above average one if your personal taste says so, but it essentially missed the whole point of EoE.


On the contrary, it's one of the few Peggy Sue fanfics that actually does get the point of EoE -- in the end Shinji realizes he has to deal with "his" Asuka, not some other version of her, and that directly echoes EoE's lesson about accepting reality over fantasy. The time travel, the AU, everything that happened there amounted to one big fantasy that he ultimately had to reject in favor of returning to reality and the girl he'd so bitterly disappointed. Most Peggy Sues never get to that point, so that leaves me inclined to forgive it for its many failings.

Now, that doesn't address its most egregious flaw: its treatment of Rei was just plain awful, and there's no way to sugarcoat that. But if you look at it as an Instrumentality AU rather than as an actual time travel experiment most of the other issues go away.
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Postby SimplyMason0 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:52 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:I don't think you should diss something based on it having sex scenes - There's an all ages version with the story still intact, ans Sex IS a part of human life like any other, especially if you're writing a goddamn romance story.


I understand that but its not JUST the sex scenes but the overall story was horrible too. Not to mention intent of said scenes which is smut. Yes, I don't care if you think its a double standard for doujins but its a standard thats true. Like you said, It's a mediocre fanfic. I'm fine with that. I just don't like it being said its equal or better than Anno's work. Especially EoE as I hold it very high. Even recommending it along with official works like the Manga or Rebuild is a big pet peeve cause its just a fanfic.

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Postby Kendrix » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:31 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:On the contrary, it's one of the few Peggy Sue fanfics that actually does get the point of EoE -- in the end Shinji realizes he has to deal with "his" Asuka, not some other version of her, and that directly echoes EoE's lesson about accepting reality over fantasy. The time travel, the AU, everything that happened there amounted to one big fantasy that he ultimately had to reject in favor of returning to reality and the girl he'd so bitterly disappointed.


Yea, but the thing is, canon!Shinji got that point during EoE. no need for further shenigans, or a four volume long hatefest.

But I would be perfectly capable to just be meh about it and simply go read something else, I would be able to tolerate that if the rest of the thing was also tolerable, it's the hype that's my main problem.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:00 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Yea, but the thing is, canon!Shinji got that point during EoE. no need for further shenigans, or a four volume long hatefest.


Did you miss the part where he was strangling Asuka? On the beach? At the end? He hadn't come to terms with her at the end of EoE, that was the whole point of the exercise.

And it wasn't a hatefest. You're overcompensating here.

The way that ppl treat it as a valid fixit of EoE, which comes hand in hand with thinking it needs one.


It doesn't need a fix, but it's very clearly the beginning of the story and not the end. Taking the ball it gives us and running with it is a perfectly valid approach.
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Postby GrummanCat » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:31 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:


It doesn't need a fix, but it's very clearly the beginning of the story and not the end. Taking the ball it gives us and running with it is a perfectly valid approach.


Exactly- The way some people (sheepishly raises his own hand) hoped that Rebuild might be some sort of 'official' continuation of EoE. Once upon a time.

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Postby Nightwing » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:07 pm

Anyboy know where i can find the Adult version online (not for the obvious reasons i just want a good read) i`ve already read the all ages version and want to find the full adult version could you also post your thoughts on either.
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Postby amitakartok » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:14 pm

I'm pretty sure posting the link here would violate site rules due to the material in question being pornographic. Therefore, I'm sending a link through PM.
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Postby Nightwing » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:38 pm

View Original Postamitakartok wrote:I'm pretty sure posting the link here would violate site rules due to the material in question being pornographic. Therefore, I'm sending a link through PM.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:44 pm

Finished Re-Take and loved it. Is it worth reading the all ages version for the extra scenes, or should I just google a synopsis of them?

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:50 pm

IIRC, All Ages clarified a few things here and there, so you could just read those particular sections (see links from Bagheera).
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:57 pm

I'll take a look at it, I guess. It all seemed pretty clear to me on the first viewing, though.

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Postby xanderkh » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:03 pm

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Be sure to check out RE-TAKE too while you're at it. It will give you all kinds of feels and closure. ^_^
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