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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:16 am

View Original PostOrnette wrote:unless there was at least something really interesting about the subject matter or a post, then it got locked anyways.


Yep. Even if an interesting discussion was going on, usually something heated would eventually happen down the line that'd force us to lock threads. Honestly, I think 90% of the political/religious threads ended up locked, sooner or later.

I avoid threads like that these days so I wouldn't know how it's changed, like if threads aren't locked as often/people can stay chill in their discussions.
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Postby Shamsiel-kun » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:21 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:robersora, if my post was "lashing out", I'd say we're very much in danger of becoming the worst kind of "hug-box".


It was mostly completely besides the point that I was trying to make, and included some rather...strange...leap of logic that appeared to suggest that I somehow am part of an in-group of people tolerating certain types of avatars, and therefore more likely to condone such behaviour. Which, as robersora rightly points out, could be construed as a personal attack.

My comment was just an observation on how something could have been solved with quite less drama than what transpired. To make a comparison with real life, if you see someone pasting a poster to a wall where it's not allowed, would you call for a S.W.A.T. van to bust the person, or would you tell them nicely to stop with what they're doing?


Dima wrote:2) derailing threads going completely off topic


This isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, most of the more pleasant forums I read allow this, while the ones that are more tightly moderated when it comes to topic are generally more of a shithole (because the mods tend to be perceived as tyrannic or they genuinely seem to be ego-tripping). I've also seen one major forum go from "quite pleasant" to "loads of bickering and users leaving" because a newer mod managed to convince the others to enforce strict topic-moderation. As long as the threads end up back on topic, a little bit of derailing is not bad...

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Postby Ornette » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:55 pm

View Original PostShamsiel-kun wrote:would you call for a S.W.A.T. van

I would tell the person who owned the wall that there was a poster where one wasn't allowed so they would use their discretion of their choosing to take it down.

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Postby Reichu » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:46 am

Shamsiel-kun: Your reply is so delayed that I honestly have no idea what it's about anymore.
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Postby robersora » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:14 am

^
I know, if EGF only had a magical time machine or something like a chronicle, where all the posts are recorded... But as it is, there is really no way to find out, what Shamsiel-kun was referring to.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:12 am

View Original Postrobersora wrote:^
I know, if EGF only had a magical time machine or something like a chronicle, where all the posts are recorded... But as it is, there is really no way to find out, what Shamsiel-kun was referring to.


Well, you could just click on the post he quoted.
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Postby Dima » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:59 am

View Original PostShamsiel-kun wrote:This isn't necessarily a bad thing.


It is when it leads to a locked thread.
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Postby pwhodges » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:17 pm

You can still read it; and if you want to refer to it in another discussion, or a new one, you can do that too.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:47 pm

And of course the point is that the threads shouldn't be locked in the first place.
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Postby robersora » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:50 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:And of course the point is that the threads shouldn't be locked in the first place.


I think the point is, that it would be nice if the thread wouldn't have to be locked in the first place. :D
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Postby Dima » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:41 pm

You all missed the point here. I am talking about threads that were locked cause the discussion went off-topic. Why should i refer a thread that half of it's pages don't have anything to do with the OP?
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Postby NemZ » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:41 pm

Thread locks are a problem, yes. They clutter up the place and make searching through old comments a pain. They kill legit discussions and punish everyone for the sake of a few troublemakers. Sometimes it's just a staffer on an ego trip. I say all this knowing I've locked my share of threads for bad reasons.

That said, sometimes it's necessary. Partially that's because of the way we operate backstage (which is slow, but also insures people get due consideration). Partially because sometimes it poisons a thread so badly that it's hard to immagine fruitful discussion happening afterwards. Partially it's just because we sometimes get overwhelmed with drama bombs from nowhere.

We're looking into possible solutions for this on the staff end of things, including both policy and technology changes, but the easiest way to solve the problem is for users (including staff) to just stay on topic and behave themselves in the first place.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:17 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:^
I know, if EGF only had a magical time machine or something like a chronicle, where all the posts are recorded... But as it is, there is really no way to find out, what Shamsiel-kun was referring to.

Just because I can go back and read my previous posts, it doesn't mean I'll have any idea what I was going on about.
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Postby Dima » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:00 am

Locking threads should exist in every forum. It is inevitable when a discussion goes

a) nowhere
b) off-topic
c) turns out bad (members accusing others, bad words etc)

Members who are responsible for the options of b) and c) should be warned so they won't make the same mistake. If they continue making it in the future then they should be banned temporary in order to think their actions better. If after the ban they continue with the same behavior then a permanent ban is inevitable inmho, otherwise people will get the idea that in here they can do whatever they want (some already think that way).

Also in order to be more precise about the off topic thing. With off-topic i don't intend members who for 2 or 3 posts went off-topic. I intend members that after mod warning they still continued for 2+ pages discussing something completely different.
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Postby NemZ » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:07 am

Err... yeah, that's more or less what we do now. What's your point?
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Postby Dima » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:23 am

You do? More or less you said? You don't seem so sure..... Why don't you give some recent examples.

Note that you are one of the members that before becoming mod you used directly bad words for other members like ''asshole'' and nothing happened. And the last time i tried to brought it up you put the excuse ''let's not bring old drama back'' and one my post disappeared and the other went to the graveyard.

And before you say the same thing again, no i don't intend to bring old drama back neither i have some agenda for you. I am just stating an example.
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Postby Sachi » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:21 am

View Original PostDima wrote:You do? More or less you said? You don't seem so sure..... Why don't you give some recent examples.

What's unclear is the point you're trying to make. Are you accusing us of not occasionally handing out warnings or locking threads?

Note that you are one of the members that before becoming mod you used directly bad words for other members like ''asshole'' and nothing happened. And the last time i tried to brought it up you put the excuse ''let's not bring old drama back'' and one my post disappeared and the other went to the graveyard.

And before you say the same thing again, no i don't intend to bring old drama back neither i have some agenda for you. I am just stating an example.

And I just don't see how the rest of this is even relevant to the current discussion at hand. Forum climate has changed over the years; people have changed. I used to be one of the most illiterate, spammiest posters around back around 2007, but should we bring that up every time someone has a problem with my moderation?
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Postby Dima » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:36 am

^

This post doesn't make any sense. What do you mean what's my point? I explained in my previous posts what's my point. I am not accusing anyone. I only said that i think the staff some times is doing a poor job handling the locks and bans. Go back and read my last post. I said i have nothing personal with Nemz but since he replied i used him as an example of what's not going right with this forum. Unless calling an asshole an other member out of the blue is fine with you. I never said anything about his moderation. Why are you making things up?

If i am not mistaken this thread is about pointing out the things that are not working well in this forum. Why are taking it so personal all of a sudden? Are you immune to criticism? If yes then just lock the topic and let's pretend everything is fine.
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Postby Bagheera » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:47 am

Honestly, it looks more like you're picking a fight here than pointing out anything that's wrong (particularly since your examples are, well, old. To my knowledge NemZ hasn't called anyone an asshole directly since becoming a mod, so if you're talking about what's wrong with the forum now it's not a good example).
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Postby Sachi » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:47 am

@Dima: I'm referring to the train of thought starting in this post:

View Original PostDima wrote:Locking threads should exist in every forum. It is inevitable when a discussion goes...

NemZ responded by asking you your point (the same question that I in-turn put forward), and it's your response thereafter that is unclear and rather defensive, quite like your response just now. I'm not taking anything personal; I would just like for you to further elucidate your point.
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