Innnteresting....but will it work?
That's the big issue with a lot of this multirole stuff the military is trying to produce: it just doesn't work. Like, the F35: it's supposed to be an air-superiority fighter/fighter-bomber/ISR/ECW platform/VTOL/STOL/stealth/high-performance jet fighter....which ends up not being very good at any of those things. Or ACU pattern camo, which was touted as the 'universal camouflage.' It was universal in the sense that it universally sticks out as an unnatural color against eighty to ninety percent of the combat environments we deploy to.
The military is trying to have it both ways by having really fancy toys on what might be a limited budget (despite the fact that our budget outstrips the next five national defense budgets combined), so they want mission platforms that can perform a lot of missions. When you do that, though, they don't end up becoming really good at any one thing. They can do a lot of things adequately, but they'll end up in trouble when called to handle one specific focus.
It's like the trouble we're running into with the A-10. There is not a CAS fighter in the world that can do what the A-10 does. The Air Force hates it (and has a pathological distaste for anything that's a bomber, unless it's either stealthy or capable of leveling a city), but the Army loves it. Because it's the best damned CAS fighter...in the world. It's one of the few fixed-wing aircraft that you can reliably call into a target (WITH heavy munitions) that's danger close. That's amazing.
The Air Force wants to get rid of it. They are trying to kill it. It makes no sense financially speaking (they aren't very expensive), from a mission viewpoint (most of the conflicts we are engaged in require the precision and reliability of the A-10), from a STRUCTURAL viewpoint (the A-10 can flow with severe damage to its airframe), or a reliability viewpoint (the A-10 is continually rated as the most accurate, precise, and specific combat platform, especially in terms of collateral damage. Ironically, drones, which are touted as precise platforms, are among the worst offenders in terms of causing collateral damage).
It's all part of the same mentality in that article up there: each branch wants a multi-role, supersexy platform that can do every mission under the sun. So, yeah, it's kind of cool as a military toy, but as far as its applications are concerned...I'll be convinced when I see it work.
I'm not holding my breath, though.
Speaking of backtracking on multirole shenanigans, OHTHANKGOD!!
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Gob Hobblin wrote: There is not a CAS fighter in the world that can do what the A-10 does.
There's the Su-25, but that's for the Russkies only. ;)
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Which is why I just happened to have this handy graphic on retainer!
Essentially, the A-10 is superior to the Su-25 in a lot of ways (even the fact that it's slower is in its favor, as CAS requires an aircraft that can fly slowly). The non-conventional air-frame of the A-10 allows it to loiter and maneuver in a very tight air space for a long period of time, and place munitions with absurd accuracy. The only aircraft that could outperform the A-10 in that kind of integrated CAS would be helicopters, and the primary thing against them is that they can't carry the sheer firepower of the A-10 (even the A-10's primary cannon; the aircraft is essentially built around one of the longest and largest 30-mm cannons in the US arsenal).
So, yes, the Su-25 is a reliable CAS platform, but it just doesn't meet the standards of the A-10. And that's not me hoah-ing the US military (we've never quite figured out the sublime simplicity the Russians had when designing the AK platform; as much as I like it, the AR platform is a disaster that works until its a disaster).
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Essentially, the A-10 is superior to the Su-25 in a lot of ways (even the fact that it's slower is in its favor, as CAS requires an aircraft that can fly slowly). The non-conventional air-frame of the A-10 allows it to loiter and maneuver in a very tight air space for a long period of time, and place munitions with absurd accuracy. The only aircraft that could outperform the A-10 in that kind of integrated CAS would be helicopters, and the primary thing against them is that they can't carry the sheer firepower of the A-10 (even the A-10's primary cannon; the aircraft is essentially built around one of the longest and largest 30-mm cannons in the US arsenal).
So, yes, the Su-25 is a reliable CAS platform, but it just doesn't meet the standards of the A-10. And that's not me hoah-ing the US military (we've never quite figured out the sublime simplicity the Russians had when designing the AK platform; as much as I like it, the AR platform is a disaster that works until its a disaster).
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Miss Piggy wins an award for being an exceptional feminist.
A porcine strumpet with anger issues who takes out her frustration on her passive, terrified boyfriend at any opportunity is praised as a good feminist. How very fitting.
A porcine strumpet with anger issues who takes out her frustration on her passive, terrified boyfriend at any opportunity is praised as a good feminist. How very fitting.
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When you grow up with the Muppets as role models, you take what you can get. And comparatively speaking, Miss Piggy has a lot of virtues that go along with her vices: she's goal oriented, strong, will not allow herself to be dominated or domineered, fiercely protective (when she chooses to be), and not above taking a pratfall.
The recipient doesn't have to be a perfect saint. Doesn't even have to be a human being, in my opinion. I mean, think about it: did you know about this award until Miss Piggy got it?
What's that?...you do now?
Looks like the Jim Henson Company scored another point for progressivism.
The recipient doesn't have to be a perfect saint. Doesn't even have to be a human being, in my opinion. I mean, think about it: did you know about this award until Miss Piggy got it?
What's that?...you do now?
Looks like the Jim Henson Company scored another point for progressivism.
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Police department or no fun zone?
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No, I mean JHC: they may be owned by Disney, but they still get to direct a lot of their own IP. Besides, the progressive slant of JHC was established long before their association with Disney: that's founder's philosophy.
On that cop thing, yeah that's overreacting, but can you blame them? I mean, look what just happened in McKinney. A lot of departments are going to play it safe rather than sorry.
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Yikes, I guess it's time to have a crackdown on puppets, they knew their time would come.
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This rampant prejudice against Muppet and Felt-Americans cannot stand. It will not!
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