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Postby Chuckman » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:28 am

Agreed. People are putting too much into the type of effect and not enough into the director and crew who make it work.

The dinosaurs in the first film hold up, despite a whole list of technical improvements since that time, because the director put in the work to make the audience suspend their disbelief. Spielberg understood how to give them a sense of gravity and presence to make the audience believe they're real. It's amazing how much subtle effort the film puts in, for example, to make us feel how heavy the Tyrannosaur is and how much the sensation that this ten ton animal has all this weight and mass contributes to the sense of immersion.
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Postby Squigsquasher » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:45 am

Regarding CGI vs practical effects, I will always and forever be a sucker for well executed practical effects. Emphasis mine on well executed. Badly done practical effects will of course suck, as with any badly done effects work. However, even with the CGI we have nowadays, I think well-done practical effects work looks a tad more convincing than CGI, simply because it's a real object. Of course, this puts constraints on what can be done with said effects because it has to work in the real world, and obviously building a prop that looks good is a lot, lot more difficult than animating a 3D model. I think the best approach is a mix of both- real props backed up with CGI.

Personally I think the best examples of practical effects done right (outside of the JP franchise) are the Alien Queen in Aliens, the skeletons in the old Jason and the Argonauts movie, and for a more recent example the vehicles in Moon (which incidentally is an absolutely great movie that I recommend to everyone). The Alien Queen in particular is ridiculously convincing, and in my opinion one of the best movie monsters of all time; if we're focusing on effects, I'd say that outside of a few minor gaffes (which every movie suffers from) aesthetically Aliens is absolutely perfect- there's nothing that the addition CGI could realistically improve.

Now obviously, CGI is improving exponentially, and I reckon within the 2020s we will have CGI that in motion is barely distinguishable from real objects. And even now, CGI can be and has been used to great effect. The Transformers movies may not be great movies, but there is no doubt the CGI is second to none. Even the first movie, which was released almost a decade ago, looks absolutely sublime. The Transformers look and feel like giant robotic organisms, and the way they move- not to mention transform- is visually intoxicating, and could not have been achieved with practical effects (outside of maybe ridiculously complex stop-motion, which would have required models with thousands of moving parts and probably a lot of visual cheats).

For big scary dinosaurs, I'd generally prefer practical effects, but I'd take CGI. I have no investment in the Jurassic Park franchise outside of the original book, which to be fair was exceptionally good, but I'd like to see a non-JP dinosaur movie. Dinosaurs are cool, and I'd like to see how they'd be handled in a movie that has to do more than just exist to get good reviews and large amounts of box-office cash. Myself, I'd like to see a suspenseful horror/slasher movie but with dinosaurs instead of a madman with a machete/rape alien/dream demon or whatever. When you stop to think about it, raptors are pretty scary things- freakishly fast bird-monsters that prey upon the weak (and compared to the average dinosaur, humans are definitely that). I honestly wouldn't mind if they went with the more "realistic" depictions of raptors (feathers and all that) or if they went full nostalgia and made them big and scaly. Well, in any case, I'd watch it.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:26 pm

I'd like to see them try stop motion (or go motion) touched up and enhanced with CGI. Not necessarily for Jurassic Park, just more of it in general. I think its' a great choice for horror movies especially as, done right, it creates a deep sense of unease.

If I was making a horror movie I'd make the monster entirely with cgi-aided stop motion and life size puppets and costume prosthetics.
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Postby Ray » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:16 pm

This is the first image for Jurassic World 2 released.

. . . I don't think those are fossils. What if they're skeletons from the Parks 'decommissioned' animals?



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Postby Ray » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:35 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... UDa2hg9Wc0

This deleted scene was released lately.

You know what Jurassic world was really lacking? Scatological humor. I'm sorry but you can't do the dinosaur poop joke any better than Jeff Goldblum did in the original.
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