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Postby Jäeger » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:42 am

View Original PostLiterary Eagle wrote:
And yes, mixed signals describes them quite well... according to the relationship chart in the book The Essential Evangelion Chronicle: Side B, Asuka's feelings for Shinji are "love/hate", and Shinji's feelings for Asuka are "complex feelings".


Mixed signals much like the LAS relationship in general, no?


Well, there is no 3I without that mixed signals and miscommunication, doesn't it?? :lol: :lol:
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Postby AR-99 » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:36 pm

Mentioned here that side A has an Amazon release date of April 2015.

Udon has really been dragging the release of this since it was up on their upcoming releases page since at least mid 2013 IIRC and instead focusing more on their core offering of video game-related releases.
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Postby Literary Eagle » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:01 am

April 2015, eh? Let's hope so. I'm always happy to see more official English releases of Evangelion stuff! :D

Concerning SSD's request for translation of the relationship chart, sure, I can do a bit of that. The Side A book covers the TV series up to episode 13, and then Side B covers episodes 14 to 26, plus The End of Evangelion. Each book has a relationship chart that spans two pages, with pictures of the characters connected by numerous lines explaining how the characters are related, and their feelings for each other. Since the characters changed over the course of the series, it's fun to see how their feelings on the Side A chart compare to the Side B chart. (You know what's really sad? On both charts, Gendo's view of how Shinji is connected to him doesn't say "son"... it says "subordinate". Of course, The End of Evangelion revealed why Gendo remained distant with Shinji, but still... geez.)

Since the charts have so many connections on them (Especially the Side B chart! Yikes!), plus I want people to support the official English release from UDON Entertainment when it finally comes out, I'll just be translating how the Eva pilots feel about each other here (please keep in mind that I am translating from the French version, not the original Japanese, so what you are about to read is essentially a translation of a translation):

Shinji and Rei: In Side A, Shinji's feelings concerning Rei are "curiosity", and Rei's feelings concerning Shinji are "curiosity?" (note the question mark). In Side B, their views of each other have evolved to mutually "favorable feelings".

Shinji and Kaworu: Nothing about their relationship in Side A, obviously, because Kaworu hadn't shown up yet. In Side B, the chart says mutually "favorable feelings" (yes, the same as for Shinji and Rei).

Rei and Kaworu: Again, Kaworu was not in Side A. In Side B, Kaworu's feelings for Rei are "sympathy" and Rei's feelings for Kaworu are "sympathy?".

Shinji and Asuka: In Side A, Shinji's feelings concerning Asuka are "complex feelings", and Asuka's feelings for him are "rivalry and interest". In Side B, as stated in my previous post, Shinji's feelings for her are still "complex feelings", but Asuka's view of him has changed to "love/hate".

Rei and Asuka: In Side A, Rei's feelings concerning Asuka are "indifference", and Asuka's feelings concerning Rei are "rivalry". In Side B, these feelings apparently haven't changed all that much, because the same wording is used for the new chart.

Toji and Shinji: In both Side A and Side B, their feelings are mutually "friendship".

Well, that's it for now. I'll write reviews of those books once the English versions become available. In the meantime, for my next review I'll be doing the Newtype 100% Collection, including some more translations!
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:13 am

Thank you so much! ^^ I'll probably wait 'til both Side A and B are out before ordering (maybe next year for my birthday?).

Actually, I need some advice. Due to lack of space/money, if I had a choice between Side A-B and Die Sterne Version 2, which would you recommend? :sweatdrop: The Die Sterne artbook is pretty, but maybe Chronicle Side A-B is more interesting--unless it's stuff we already know? (From series, NGE2 game*, etc).

*I really can't recommend the game enough, btw--PSP version especially. Tons of threads on it in Discussion and the major one here in Everything Else.
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Postby robersora » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:10 am

View Original PostLiterary Eagle wrote:何もせず, 触れ合わない 二人の手。


I would go with: Without anything, two people's hands won't touch.

Basically an allusion to the fact, that in Instrumentality there are no borders between humans, which leads to not being able to touch one another. So basically; since they have come back, they are able to touch each other.

Also, cool reviews, keep it up, Literary Eagle!
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Postby Jäeger » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:08 pm

My god, great work and very useful information that makes "official" a lot of implied things. After EoE, I always supported Rei's sympathy towards Kaworu. And Shinji and Asuka.....everything makes sense and like DC episodes, it makes EoE easier to understand.
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Postby Literary Eagle » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:10 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:Actually, I need some advice. Due to lack of space/money, if I had a choice between Side A-B and Die Sterne Version 2, which would you recommend? :sweatdrop: The Die Sterne artbook is pretty, but maybe Chronicle Side A-B is more interesting--unless it's stuff we already know? (From series, NGE2 game*, etc).


Since you're knowledgeable about Evangelion and you're already familiar with the Classified Information from NGE2 and all that, I'd say that if you can only get one, go with Die Sterne Ver.2.0 . The Side A and Side B books are very nice, but if you already know your stuff then for the most part you're not going to learn anything earth-shattering... they're mainly good for clarifying/confirming certain things, rather than presenting completely new information. For example, I often point out Side B's description of Kaworu ("He hopes that Shinji, his friend, will choose the survival of humanity") as proof that Kaworu wasn't evil.

robersora wrote:I would go with: Without anything, two people's hands won't touch.

Basically an allusion to the fact, that in Instrumentality there are no borders between humans, which leads to not being able to touch one another. So basically; since they have come back, they are able to touch each other.


Oh, what an interesting reading! Very poetic. Thank you so much for sharing that!

Jäeger wrote:My god, great work and very useful information that makes "official" a lot of implied things. After EoE, I always supported Rei's sympathy towards Kaworu.


Thanks! Yeah, as I was saying above, the Side A and Side B books don't necessarily have much in terms of completely new information, but they're nice for confirming stuff that was implied elsewhere. What Side B's relationship chart said about Kaworu and Rei made me very happy as well. :D
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:59 am

Thanks for your reply! It really helps a lot! :shinjismile:

Feel free to reply in a PM if this derails the topic too much, but do the books clarify Shinji and Kaworu's relationship at all? NGE2 implies they're friends (they do flat-out state if you (Shinji) try to save Kaworu during 24' events they love each other). In-game, you can make any character date any other character---thankfully minus the penguin!
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Postby vito » Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:02 am

Die Sterne ver 2.0? I wonder which one I have...

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Postby Jäeger » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:49 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:Thanks for your reply! It really helps a lot! :shinjismile:

Feel free to reply in a PM if this derails the topic too much, but do the books clarify Shinji and Kaworu's relationship at all? NGE2 implies they're friends (they do flat-out state if you (Shinji) try to save Kaworu during 24' events they love each other). In-game, you can make any character date any other character---thankfully minus the penguin!


Nothing about their relationship in Side A, obviously, because Kaworu hadn't shown up yet. In Side B, the chart says mutually "favorable feelings" (yes, the same as for Shinji and Rei).


So, IMO it's implied they share the same relationship Shinji shares with Rei. Whick makes sense : two angels trying to understand human emotions.

I'm happy to see that confirms/clarifies somehow Shinji and Asuka's relationship : Love/hate/complex feelings, which fits their emulation of Misato and Kaji's relationship and makes EoE have more sense. They are like a wrecked marriage, hurting one each other, despite their need of affection/sex/love from the other one. Not your usual shonen relationship, of course.

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Postby AR-99 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:58 pm

View Original Postvito wrote:Die Sterne ver 2.0? I wonder which one I have...

Easy enough:

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Postby Literary Eagle » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:10 am

Sailor Star Dust wrote:Feel free to reply in a PM if this derails the topic too much, but do the books clarify Shinji and Kaworu's relationship at all?


Aside from what Side B's relationship chart stated (mutually "favorable feelings"), the character profiles at the beginning of that book go into a bit more detail on the pages devoted to Kaworu. When this section talks about Kaworu's view of Shinji the term "sympathy" comes up a few times, and it also says that Kaworu felt un certain amour ("some love", or "some kind of love") towards Shinji.

As for Shinji's feelings, those pages say that Kaworu is a precious friend to him, and that Kaworu's demeanor touched his heart. (Again, please keep in mind that I am translating from the French version of the book, not the original Japanese. I'm very curious to see what kind of wording UDON Entertainment will use for the official English release!)

Oh yeah, and I'm really glad you asked this question, because it's been a while since I last looked at this book in its entirety, and when I took another glance at it to provide an answer for you, I found something useful that I had forgotten about! The book says that Kaworu approaching Shinji and sympathizing with him wasn't obligatory, and that he did so out of desire for human relationship, not as part of his Angel mission. So there we have it, confirmation that Kaworu interacting with Shinji in episode 24 was not part of a fiendish Third Impact plot!

By the way, I'll be translating more information about Kaworu and Shinji in my next book review (and there will be pictures and stuff for other characters as well!). I'm hoping that I can get the review done in the next few days... we'll see how it goes. ^_^

vito wrote:Die Sterne ver 2.0? I wonder which one I have...


As AR-99 said, the quickest and easiest way to tell is that Die Sterne Ver.2.0 has a box which says "Ver.2.0" right on the cover. If you're interested, I go into a bit more detail about the different versions of Die Sterne in the review I wrote, here: Die Sterne and Die Sterne Ver.2.0

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Postby Jäeger » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:37 am

View Original PostLiterary Eagle wrote:Aside from what Side B's relationship chart stated (mutually "favorable feelings"), the character profiles at the beginning of that book go into a bit more detail on the pages devoted to Kaworu. When this section talks about Kaworu's view of Shinji the term "sympathy" comes up a few times, and it also says that Kaworu felt un certain amour ("some love", or "some kind of love") towards Shinji.

As for Shinji's feelings, those pages say that Kaworu is a precious friend to him, and that Kaworu's demeanor touched his heart. (Again, please keep in mind that I am translating from the French version of the book, not the original Japanese. I'm very curious to see what kind of wording UDON Entertainment will use for the official English release!)



Like you said before, the book just confirms what the series shows us. And it's what you can expect after watching EoE : Rei And Kaworu are like guardian angels for Shinji, and equals one to each other.

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Postby AR-99 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:19 pm

There is the wiki too: http://wiki.evageeks.org/Die_Sterne

TLDR; 2.0 has 75 additional illustrations.
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Postby Literary Eagle » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:28 pm

Jäeger wrote:Like you said before, the book just confirms what the series shows us. And it's what you can expect after watching EoE : Rei And Kaworu are like guardian angels for Shinji, and equals one to each other.


Ah, guardian angels for Shinji! That's a beautiful way of describing it! And since we're on that subject, I'll take the opportunity to clarify one point: Even though the relationship chart uses the words "favorable feelings" to describe Shinji's relationship with Rei as well as his relationship with Kaworu, it doesn't necessarily mean the exact same favorable feelings. The next book I'll be reviewing makes a rather interesting distinction... but we'll get to that once the review is done.

Jäeger wrote:Do you have books with Girlfriend of Steel material???


Oh yes, definitely! I will be reviewing Sore o Nasumono soon, which includes drawings of the T-RIDEN-T Land Cruiser! (I'll be writing that review after I'm done with the review for the Neon Genesis Evangelion Newtype 100% Collection). Aside from that, Mana Kirishima appears in a number of other books in my collection, so I'll be getting to all of those eventually as well. In fact, she was even in a couple of books that I already reviewed: she has a few pictures in Die Sterne Ver.2.0, and one picture in Evangelion Chronicle Illustrations, although admittedly the Mana pictures were not shown in those reviews. Now that I know people are interested, I'll make a note to include Mana pics for future reviews of some of the books that she's in. (See, this is why feedback is important! :D )
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Postby vito » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:02 pm

Dug up my book, ye olde Sterne from Carlsen (German release). Guess I need to upgrade!

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Postby Literary Eagle » Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:37 am

I posted a new book review yesterday! This time, I talked about one of my favorites, the Neon Genesis Evangelion Newtype 100% Collection. It's a treasure trove of pictures and information for various aspects of the show, including concepts that didn't make it into the final version. This book has a little something for everyone! (As promised, I included some translations that would be of interest to KawoShin fans, because the Asuka/Shinji fans had their turn with the previous review. I love all the Evangelion characters and I'll try my best to be egalitarian about shipping with these book reviews. And of course, the review also includes stuff about other characters and such, so enjoy!) If you have feedback or questions, feel free to post them here!

Next, I will be writing a review of Sore o Nasumono for cyharding, since he inquired about it (and it's also for Jäeger, since he asked about content related to Girlfriend of Steel). After that, I'll do Evangelion ANIMA Visual Book. :D
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Postby Jäeger » Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:23 pm

I think, as usual, that the translation from Japanese to french was unable to adapt some terms . And since EoE exists, it's more evident, the movie stated very clear Kaworu's role (Newtype 100% was published before EoE and DC).

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Postby Literary Eagle » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:20 pm

Jäeger wrote:And since EoE exists, it's more evident, the movie stated very clear Kaworu's role


You mean when EoE talked about what Rei and Kaworu represent in Shinj's heart, saying that Rei is "the hope that people will one day be able to understand each other", and Kaworu is "the words 'I love you',"? ^_^

Seriously though, I don't think there's any problem or contradiction with EoE here. Sure, the paragraph I translated from the book said that Kaworu is the only person Shinji ever loved, but as I already stated in the review, it doesn’t say exactly what kind of love Shinji is feeling there, nor does it rule out the possibility of Shinji eventually loving someone else after Kaworu’s death. The paragraph in question is about episode 24, so it's simply saying that Kaworu was the only person Shinji ever loved at that point in the story. There's nothing to say that Shinji doesn't eventually find new love with Asuka (or whomever) afterwards. That part of the book simply confirms that Kaworu was special to Shinji in some way, which I'm sure most people knew already.
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Postby Jäeger » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:47 am

View Original PostLiterary Eagle wrote:You mean when EoE talked about what Rei and Kaworu represent in Shinj's heart, saying that Rei is "the hope that people will one day be able to understand each other", and Kaworu is "the words 'I love you',"? ^_^

Seriously though, I don't think there's any problem or contradiction with EoE here. Sure, the paragraph I translated from the book said that Kaworu is the only person Shinji ever loved, but as I already stated in the review, it doesn’t say exactly what kind of love Shinji is feeling there, nor does it rule out the possibility of Shinji eventually loving someone else after Kaworu’s death. The paragraph in question is about episode 24, so it's simply saying that Kaworu was the only person Shinji ever loved at that point in the story. There's nothing to say that Shinji doesn't eventually find new love with Asuka (or whomever) afterwards. That part of the book simply confirms that Kaworu was special to Shinji in some way, which I'm sure most people knew already.


yeahh, taht was I was talking about -o-; . IMO, it's more about the only relationship (any kind of relationship) that worked, because kaworu was the only one who openly cared about him. But never in the same way way as Asuka (which implied sex as hell and a wrecked marriage basis), Misato (Mother figure), etc.....Each case is different. Kaworu and Rei represent the quote you have posted ;) . As I've said before, they act like guardian angels teaching him to relate to other human beings. The Hell, is not Kaworu Jesuschrist??? :lol: :lol: The Love he proclaims is Messiah 101 :hahaha:
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