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Postby movieartman » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:55 pm

TERMINATOR - GENISYS (2015)
- not a sequel to salvation

starring
Arnold Schwarzenegger - T-800 (whos organic flesh does in fact age)
Aaron v.williamson - T-800
emilia clarke - sarah connor
jai courtney - kyle reese
jason clarke - john connor
courtney b.vance - miles dyson
matt smith - unknown
byung hun lee - unknown
j.k simmons - unknown

official plot
Sarah Connor isn’t the innocent she was when Linda Hamilton first sported feathered hair and acid-washed jeans in the role. Nor is she Hamilton’s steely zero body-fat warrior in 1991’s T2. Rather, the mother of humanity’s messiah was orphaned by a Terminator at age 9. Since then, she’s been raised by (brace yourself) Schwarzenegger’s Terminator—an older T-800 she calls “Pops”—who is programmed to guard rather than to kill. As a result, Sarah is a highly trained antisocial recluse who’s great with a sniper rifle but not so skilled at the nuances of human emotion

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Postby ElMariachi » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:50 pm

Okayyyyyyyy... that can be either a brilliant reboot or an abyssal bomb, no middle ground.

Also WTF Matt Smith as a US Soldier!? :cringe:
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Postby Rosenakahara » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:15 pm

yeah thats a really dumb title...........
also nope, cant see matt as anything but the doctor now so this is just going to take all seriousness out of the role, i will constantly be expecting matt to pull out his sonic and blow up some cybermen (terminators will have to do)
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Postby BrikHaus » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:18 pm

I read a spoilery script summary the other day. This film sounds absolutely dreadful. Apparently, they introduce even more new types of Terminators, have multiple Kyle Reeses, have John Connor's son, have multiple Arnold Schwarzeneggers, takes place in multiple eras, and doesn't make any sense at all.

I hope that they fix these script problems, or whatever I read was total b.s. Otherwise, if all that was true, this is going to put the final nail in Terminator's coffin.

It will be terminated.

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Postby movieartman » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:46 pm

View Original PostBrikHaus wrote:I read a spoilery script summary the other day. This film sounds absolutely dreadful. Apparently, they introduce even more new types of Terminators, have multiple Kyle Reeses, have John Connor's son, have multiple Arnold Schwarzeneggers, takes place in multiple eras, and doesn't make any sense at all.

I hope that they fix these script problems, or whatever I read was total b.s. Otherwise, if all that was true, this is going to put the final nail in Terminator's coffin.

It will be terminated.

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1.) More terminators is good, the longer the war rages the more experimental types will be made to more effectively kill the enemy. It's just realistic
2.) Connors son was teased in salvation.....which this is not a sequel to.as far as we can tell but maybe they already have a plan for his character and still want to incorporate it here.
3.) Multi Schwarzenegger makes plenty of sense. There was 4 over the course of the previous 4 movies no reason multiple ones might be seen at once
4.) Multi eras is a great idea. It is a time travel movie
Get the Bennefits of a period piece, the present day chase and the apocalyptic future all in one movie instead of just devoting the film to one or the other.

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Postby Ray » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:03 pm

Lets be honest, we all know this movie more likely than not going to be terrible. . . .

Terminator is a franchise Zombie, begging to be put down at this point.
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Postby Dataprime » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:11 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:
Terminator is a franchise Zombie, begging to be put down at this point.

Don't worry it will always be back

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Postby Guy Nacks » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:57 pm

View Original Postmovieartman wrote:TERMINATOR - GENISYS (2015)
official plot
Sarah Connor isn’t the innocent she was when Linda Hamilton first sported feathered hair and acid-washed jeans in the role. Nor is she Hamilton’s steely zero body-fat warrior in 1991’s T2. Rather, the mother of humanity’s messiah was orphaned by a Terminator at age 9. Since then, she’s been raised by (brace yourself) Schwarzenegger’s Terminator—an older T-800 she calls “Pops”—who is programmed to guard rather than to kill. As a result, Sarah is a highly trained antisocial recluse who’s great with a sniper rifle but not so skilled at the nuances of human emotion


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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:58 pm

The whole movie from title to cast to story sounds really fucking stupid.

And it's from the "visionary director" of Thor 2: The Dark World.


Pass.

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Postby Trajan » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:06 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Terminator is a franchise Zombie, begging to be put down at this point.


I see what you did there.

My gut instincts tell me this one is going to flop badly. Terminator is just one of those franchises that's had its day. Hollywood should focus on making new stuff instead of retooling old things with the hope that they'll become popular ago. There's only so much nostalgia people are willing to tolerate before they want something new. 95% of the time, people prefer the older entries anyway.

EDIT: Also...why....why, is it spelled Genesys? Just why?
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Postby Chuckman » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:19 pm

If this film incorporates the ideas that:

1. Linda Hamilton's Sarah Connor is not the mother of the John Connor that sent Kyle Reese back from the future, who was actually one of the T-800's prior victims, but Kyle comes from a different universe than the one the original T-800 left from.

2. Skynet is actually the T-800 from the first movie and everything it does centers around killing John Connor. It started a nuclear war and a pogrom against the survivors to spark a resistance so it could identify John Connor and send itself back in time to kill him and will keep doing it in an infinite feedback loop forever.

3. Skynet constantly fails to kill John Connor because it knows if it does, it will no longer have any purpose, and the huge machine army will just freeze in place with nothing else to do.

It will be very good.

It sounds like it has the potential to do something more than a rehash of the preceding films but with slightly dumber jokes and a slightly older Arnold.

This time around, I hope they have some nuts and make an R-rated movie that doesn't cater the moronic whims of illiterate test audiences. The original ending to Salvation would have redeemed the movie.

Also Emilia Clarke is much cuter with her natural hair.

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Postby movieartman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:11 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Terminator is a franchise Zombie, begging to be put down at this point.

disagree, liked 3 & 4

View Original PostGendo'sPapa wrote:The whole movie from title to cast to story sounds really fucking stupid.

And it's from the "visionary director" of Thor 2: The Dark World.

Pass.

i get the questioning of the plot (altho i find it intriguing) but other than jai, whats wrong with the cast?
jason clarke was fantastic in dawn of the apes.

and thor 2s flaws where script related (comedy, under developed villain) not directing related.

View Original PostTrajan wrote:95% of the time, people prefer the older entries anyway.

its not or should not be about preference or comparisons between the new or old, it should just be about enjoying MORE of something.
when t2 or aliens came out people where not this pessimistic about sequels, we have become too nilistically jaded

View Original PostChuckman wrote:This time around, I hope they have some nuts and make an R-rated movie that doesn't cater the moronic whims of illiterate test audiences. The original ending to Salvation would have redeemed the movie.

agreed on r rating, strongly disagree on the original end of salvation that was just sadistic, im ok with dark endings (lol i love eva)... but no.

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:48 am

Aside from the original and the comic The Burning Earth all of Terminator has been crap. This will be no different.
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Postby Trajan » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:32 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Aside from the original and the comic The Burning Earth all of Terminator has been crap. This will be no different.


You are including T2 when you're discussing "the original" right? Because while I appreciate the first Terminator movie for what it is, it doesn't hold up nearly as well as T2 which might be the greatest modern action movie.

movieartman wrote:its not or should not be about preference or comparisons between the new or old, it should just be about enjoying MORE of something.
when t2 or aliens came out people where not this pessimistic about sequels, we have become too nilistically jaded


The reason we've become so jaded compared to past audiences is because we've been bombarded by sequels, reboots, re-imaginings and spinoffs for the past fifteen years. It's just the same stuff with a different take on it and after a while you just want someone to create something distinct and original instead of retreading others' (oftentimes superior) work. Back then, discounting serialized movies (i.e. Godzilla, James Bond, Star Trek), sequels were a big deal because there weren't so many of them. Now, if a blockbuster is even moderately successful, you're practically guaranteed to have a sequel. Also the percentage of reboots has increased dramatically compared to the past. And most of the time, fans just watch the old ones over again because the newer version is just a copy of the original, missing the heart and soul that made those movies special in the first place.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:53 am

View Original PostTrajan wrote:You are including T2 when you're discussing "the original" right?


I am. The Terminator might have dated effects, but its social worth and value as a story haven't waned one bit. It was actually a surprisingly layered story, touching on humanity's burgeoning cyberization, our fear of our own creations, the omnipresent gloom of the Nuclear Age, and lots of other things. It was good science fiction, not just a good action movie. T2 pissed all over that, wrecking one of the few good time travel stories in movie history and replacing it with the same old drek. Good action movie? Sure, and it gets points for Linda Hamilton, but it's nowhere near the quality of the original. The fact it's the best of the rest doesn't mean it's all that great.

The reason I mentioned The Burning Earth is because it's what T2 should have been: the story of how Reese and the terminator got sent back to begin with, and Connor's role in all that. It's not a story that particularly needed to be told, but as an action setpiece it works well enough and, more importantly, it doesn't conflict with the story told in The Terminator one iota. There's no way said story could be told given the state of moviemaking in 1991, but it sure would have been neat to see.
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Postby ElMariachi » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:57 am

Damn, even the promotional photographies don't bode well.
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Come on, I've seen fanfilms that are less cheap than that! :cringe:

And can someone explain to me the interest to put an eotech or a laser point to a fucking flamethrower! :facepalm:
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:01 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote: This will be no different.


I, too, think it will be terrible. Even the promo images look shiny-bright and slick when they should be more grimy and gritty. The plot sounded bad enough on paper, but they certainly haven't even tried to connect it to the original.

And apparently the most they can share with us is images of the characters firing guns open-mouthed. :facepalm: Still no sign of any actual Terminator outside of the rather jolly-looking one on the magazine cover.

Sometimes I wonder why directors don't try to go back to the roots of these sci-fi classics.

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Holy shit, is that meant to be Kyle Reese? :lol: They would have done a better job just digging up Michael Biehn again.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:03 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:And can someone explain to me the interest to put an eotech or a laser point to a fucking flamethrower! :facepalm:


I'd be surprised if that didn't wind up being a gag or an inside joke of some sort. It's too over the top to be taken seriously.
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Postby Ray » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:25 pm

Cameron originally planned T2 to be the last movie in the franchise. He even planned to shoot an after credits sequence showing that John Connor grew up to become a US Senator. An ironclad ending that shut down any possibility of a Sequel. But someone talked him out of it, and now a once great franchise is now a laughingstock.
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Postby movieartman » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:11 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:I am. The Terminator might have dated effects, but its social worth and value as a story haven't waned one bit. It was actually a surprisingly layered story, touching on humanity's burgeoning cyberization, our fear of our own creations, the omnipresent gloom of the Nuclear Age, and lots of other things. It was good science fiction, not just a good action movie.

i would not even say that the stop motion looks damn good for not being by Ray H

...... no it was both, one does not negate the other and every single action scene in the film is fantastic


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