シン, FINAL, :||, or 3.0 + 1.0?

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:08 pm

Just call it シン

Because シンちゃん is :heart:
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Postby Reichu » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:31 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:and yes, I realize the staff are using it, but they were using "Rebuild", too, and that didn't turn out to be the title of anything other than an extra on a DVD

They were using "Rebuild of Evangelion" in the same way they were using "Final" or "?": as a tentative title that eventually got replaced. (The word "rebuild" did remain in use, however, as their catch-phrase for what the films were, e.g., "It's not a remake. It's a rebuild!" Can never have too much gratuitous English.)

But "Shin" doesn't really mean anything substantial (beyond "New" or "True")

I'm not sure how it's up to you to decide whether it means anything "substantial" when you haven't seen the movie and hence lack the ability to apply the title to anything besides mere suppositions. It was probably shoved to the front and put in katakana for a reason not worth prematurely dismissing. :p

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Postby pwhodges » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:49 pm

I think he means that "New" or "True" is such a generic word or concept that it carries little weight for us as the designation of a film. It may indeed have relevance when we see the film - but for now it's no more useful than the "*N*E*W*" signs in the window of every other shop we pass. Of course, the same is true of "Final" - but that has the advantage of being established in this community (how much advantage is there for us to follow a Japanese precedent here?), and remaining a valid designator unless we learn that the plan for four films has been changed!

Anyway, whatever, I shall continue to look forward eagerly to the next film without worrying any more about this...
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Postby Bagheera » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:01 pm

It's doubly useless if they're calling it "Shin Eva", since that pretty obviously means "the new Eva film". Not really a title, any more than it was for any of the others (shuffling aside).

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing "Shin Eva" get some use around here, since that actually means something specific.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:32 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:It's doubly useless if they're calling it "Shin Eva", since that pretty obviously means "the new Eva film".

Yeah....

No.

TITLE FORMAT FOR FIRST THREE FILM

ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版:_
Wevangeriwon Shingekijouban: (single-character subtitle)
Evangelion THE NEW MOVIE*: blahblah

TITLE FORMAT FOR LAST FILM

シン・エヴァンゲリオン劇場版:||
Shin Evangerion Gekijouban :||
New/True/Core/Etc. Evangelion THE MOVIE :||

Couple of things to notice here, besides the musical notation.

(1) "Evangelion" is written in the original stylization: no more "Wevangeliwon".
(2) It's just "gekijouban", not "shingekijouban".
(3) Shin is in katakana (hence no singular meaning) and modifying "Evangelion".

Of course, you must know all of this already, what with matters of the Japanese language being so obvious to you and all. :p

* The zillion translations notwithstanding, gekijouban is basically the same thing as saying "_______: The Movie" in English. (There are other -ban terms for "...the TV show!", "...the radio play!", "...the manga!", and so on.) Shin- just means "new", and is probably just there to separate this set of Eva gekijouban from the first two, Death and EoE. Well, okay, ever since the fourth film dropped the "shin-", I'm not sure what the hell is going on.

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Postby Bagheera » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:43 pm

I think you missed the point there, but whatever. It's not worth arguing about. Do as you like.

Edit: I wasn't talking about the official title. I was talking about the shorthand, which is what we're discussing here. "Shin Eva" seems reasonable, since it's descriptive. "Shin" seems kinda pointless, since it's a part of every title in the series. :|| seems most apt, since it's the most iconic part of the official title. I realize it's awkward, but it works for me. Others feel differently, and that's fine. Lots of options to work with so folks can take their pick.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:13 pm

So, Shin it is? :huh:

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Postby pwhodges » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:07 pm

What? Oh, you mean the next film...
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Postby Reichu » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:32 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote: "Shin Eva" seems reasonable, since it's descriptive. "Shin" seems kinda pointless, since it's a part of every title in the series.

I don't think we've generally been in the habit of referring to anything Eva-related as either "Shin Eva" or "Shin", so I don't see what the problem is. :p

I realize it's awkward, but it works for me.

I'm supposed to be the one who stubbornly clings to absurdly idealistic notions of consistency when it's clearly obnoxious and inconvenient to do so. Something is terribly wrong here.

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Postby Bagheera » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:56 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:I don't think we've generally been in the habit of referring to anything Eva-related as either "Shin Eva" or "Shin", so I don't see what the problem is. :p


I don't see why you're belaboring the point. Let it go already.
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Postby Ray » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:11 pm

'Shin' -ji?
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Postby kuro hazama » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:36 am

Im not saying we have to do it, but Yamashita(the only one whose opinion matters for now in regards to this) calls the movie religiously "Eva Sin" in english. For this reason there are Japanese fans(you can see this always on minnanoevafan) that call it Evangelion Sin or Sin Evangelion.
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Postby Monk Ed » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:01 am

This is interesting news. But how do you know that what he's saying is the English word "sin"? Does he actually pronounce it correctly?
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:03 am

I suspect it's "Shin Evangelion", or "Evangelion Shin". As expected, "Shin" is not adequate.
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Postby UrsusArctos » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:01 am

シン can be romanized as "shin"(Hepburn romanization) or "sin"(Kunrei-shiki and Nihon-shiki romanization), since "shi" and "si" are homophones in Japanese. However, very few actually say "sin", and the vast majority of Japanese-speakers pronounce it as "shin". "Sin Eva" would be pronounced as "Shin Eva" with none of the connotations of the English word "Sin".
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:02 am

View Original Postkuro hazama wrote:Im not saying we have to do it, but Yamashita(the only one whose opinion matters for now in regards to this) calls the movie religiously "Eva Sin" in english. For this reason there are Japanese fans(you can see this always on minnanoevafan) that call it Evangelion Sin or Sin Evangelion.


We know about that tweet, but still don't have a translation that makes any sense at all.

https://twitter.com/ikuto_yamashita/status/506848750526951425

http://forum.evageeks.org/post/746124/Not-actual-news-thread/#746124

It seems like picking just "sin" out of it wouldn't makes sense without knowing the rest.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:29 pm

The English word "sin" does go into Japanese as シン (shin), so I would not at all be surprised if this were yet another potential reading. Not as if the concept of "sin" is foreign to these films, either.

"Evasin" sounds like something you'd pick up at the pharmacy.

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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:40 pm

What, to treat an overabundance of happiness?

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Postby UrsusArctos » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:31 pm

Reichu : I know that there are soundtracks like "Sin from Genesis" (aka The Beast II reworked) but the idea that the "Shin" in question is the English word "Sin" seems more than a little out-of-context to me. Not impossible, just weird even by the standards of the movies so far.
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Postby Sgt. Griff » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:48 pm

Well, depending on how good my Eva knowledge is, wouldn't : || be the 7th movie?

Death, Rebirth, End, 1.0, 2.0, Q.

7 movies, 7 deadly sins. This being "Him that soweth discord among brethren", considering the amount of discord sown between Shinji and his m8s, it could totally be called sin.

EDIT: Apparently Death & Rebirth was one film, but if we count the original TV series as an installment, it would still be the 7th installment.
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