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Postby Ray » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:36 pm

Jeez, and some people on this forum say I bend over backwards to defend filmmakers and movies I like.
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Postby silvermoonlight » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:28 pm

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No offence intended but just because a racist stereotypes are in the older Transformers cartoons does not mean it will resonate with a modern audiences times change and taste changes it's the reason why Tom and Jerry now have a disclaimer on there box set saying.
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“Tom & Jerry” shorts may depict some ethnic and racial prejudices that were once commonplace in American society. Such depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While not representing the Warner Bros. view of today's society, these shorts are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed.


They keep it in the cartoons to educate people on these issues but Bay is not educating or breaking the mould to show how its wrong. I get it you like Michael Bay and that's perfectly fine but please don't bend over to defend these stereotypes there really damaging.
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Postby Tankred » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:34 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:Jeez, and some people on this forum say I bend over backwards to defend filmmakers and movies I like.


I don't think Chuckman is necessarily defending the man, more of an observation, even though Dadaism is far left nonsense for the most part. Much of the major modern film producers of the USA are in fact part of left leaning corporate bodies themselves, so I don't know what that means about Bay, I suppose he just doesn't care overall and he's making a statement with these films like a child draws somethings rude on a wall or in sand.

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:58 pm

Do I have to write I'm not defending it in bold before people stop accusing me of defending it?

It's a deliberate use of an offensive aspect of Transformers G1 in movies that are harsh Starship Troopers style parodies of G1.

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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:55 am

Whereas I can totally see Bay's Transformers movies as an excersise in Dadaism, I don't think Bay is as skilled a filmmaker as he should be in order to make that clear to his audiences. Verhoven's Starship Troopers and Mel Brooks' Blazing Saddles are able to make their movies in such a way where audiences get what the filmmakers are trying to do. There's no such luck for M Bae. (This'll be Bay's name from here on out.)

Lindsay Ellis is doing a fantastic series that discusses and analyzes Bae's Transformers series on YouTube called The Whole Plate. It's the first academically minded deconstruction of the series so far that I know of.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:30 am

As someone else has put it; Bay is a slave to his own eye, constantly chasing after spectacle where he can display images faster than the mind can register, but not faster than the eye can follow.

You have objects of varying scale, objects moving in multiple directions, with the camera itself in motion to create parallax, all to service making each shot as dynamic as possible, leading into cuts that are equally as dynamic as possible.

He's good at making scenes feel visceral and creating a tremendous sense of scale, but he's bad at knowing when he should employ them. He's just as likely to accentuate a nothing dialogue exchange where characters are being obnoxious, as important moments where critical plot occurs.


In short, he's developed a knack for tapping into visual cues that grab our attention, but he fires kind of blindly with it, as he's chasing after what he thinks are good cuts, even if the scene itself doesn't justify it.
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