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Creating LAEM as fan fiction: How to Hollywood up Eva

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:27 pm

A direct adaptation of Eva to live action film would be impossible. A direct adaptation to a series of films would be impossible.

Worrying about how it would have been done in 1998 or whenever those Weta Workshop designs were done is pointless.

In today's (2014) Hollwood, and Eva adaptation would either be planned as a 210-240 minute film or a trilogy of movies all the same length. Realistically it would be one movie, as Eva, while popular, is nothing beside something like the Marvel universe or the Lord of the Rings when it comes to having a built in fanbase. Even among anime fans it's fairly controversial.

To get any idea of how a Hollywood exec would look at Eva from a risk/reward perspective, consider the size and activity of Evageeks, the FF.net Eva section, and Eva subreddit and compare that to the same for Harry Potter, ASOIAF, etc.

Most likely, an Eva adaptation would not be designed to pander to Evageeks, unless it was in the hands of a very faithful director who was making it as a passion project and had enough cloud to have the script and casting done his way.

Assuming for the moment that isn't the case, we'd bee looking at a movie that's 2-3 hours long and made to appeal to American but also to International audiences (blockbusters in today's market must rely on international receipts much, much more than they used to; producers can no longer ignore Europe and especially China, and this is having more of an effect on howblockbusters are presented, even on the scripts)

Given the pressure to avoid whitewashing, the Japanese setting would probably be kept, but the actual setting and city of Tokyo-3 would be heavily "internationalized". (I did this in Age of Marvels, installing a large American and European refugee and expat community in the city- AoM Tokyo-3 is the home of the world's last Denny's restaurants)

What this internationalization would mean is that the cast would likely be multicultural- some of the main characters would be made Chinese, or South Asian. Nerv would probably look something like Wille, in fact. Most likely, it would work out like this:

Characters likely to retain their Japanese ancestry
  • The Ikari family and Rei
  • Fuyutsuki
  • Toji
  • Hikari
  • Hyuga

Characters likely to be made into an American, played by a Caucasian actor, with a Western name
  • Misato
    or*
  • Kaji
  • Asuka
  • Kyoko
  • Kaworu
  • Aoba

*The "or" here is because Hollywood would likely want the make the couple biracial.

Characters likely to be made South Asian
  • Ritsuko
  • Maya

(Probably not both)

Characters likely to be portrayed by a Black actor

  • Aoba

(Remember, I'm thinking like a Hollywood writer/exec here. Don't judge)

Now, Eva has an ensemble cast. Keeping it as it is would mean a lot of characters being juggled in a short running time, shortchanging any development they receive. We need to merge or remove some of them.

Toji and Kensuke can be merged into a single character.
Hyuga and Kaji can be merged. They're both love interests for Misato, and softening Kaji's role by merging him into Hyuga would allow the Hollywood version to prominently feature a white female character with a Japanese love interest (bonus points for reversing a racial trope) with Misato in the more active role in uncovering secrets (bonus points for grrrrrl power) Kaji's role in the organization in the anime is too convoluted for the screen time we're running here. The producers would be comfortable making them both white, though, as an Asian male/caucasian female dynamic will be present with Shinji and Asuka.
Ritsuko and Maya can be merged. Moving Ritsuko into the technobabble speaker slot gives her more screen time and eliminates the Galaxy Quest joke of having one character yell things so another character can explain them for no logical reason.

This would cut the school down to the pilots and a beta couple. It would cut the adult characters down to Gendo, Fuyutsuki, Misato, Ritsuko, a love interest for Misato, and a comic relief character.

Now, on to the pilots.

Kaworu will most likely have to be dropped. He barely adds anything to the anime, and Hollywood would not tolerate a gay love interest competing with Asuka for Shinji.

Rei would either be made explicitly not related to Shinji, or any hint of a romantic connection between them would have to be dropped. Kaworu and Rei would most likely be merged.

The romantic tension between Shinji and Asuka would be both strengthened and softened, as Asuka would have to be made into a more traditional tsundere. Her memories of her mother would no longer be repressed. She would also be present in Tokyo-3 from the beginning. Her conflict with Shinji would be more easily and quickly and easily established this way and it would allow them to have more screen time together to resolve their conflict and spark a romance between them.

The school might be eliminated entirely, and the Toji-composite character promoted to a pilot, and Hikari eliminated entirely so he can serve as a competitor love interest to Shinji for Asuka's affections. They may even be hooked up at the start.

The pilots would most likely be aged up to 18ish, possibly older. This age bracket is hot for fiction right now, usually called "New Adult".

So let's talk about the plot.

The episodic structure of the show and the Jo-Ha-Kyuu structure used in Rebuild are not suited for a Hollywood blockbuster, particular a single 2 hour and twenty minute to three hour movie. The plot would adhere to the beats laid out in Blake Snyder's "Save the Cat" system.

Here's what the major points would look like:

Set Up: As he suits up to get in Unit 01, Shinji thinks about Gendo and Yui, establishing them in flashback. He ruminates on his life as a ward of Yui's brother.

Theme Stated: Misato reminds Shinji that he mustn't run away.

Catalyst: Shinji defeats his first angel. Probably not Sachiel- Asuka, Toji, and Rei would be established as a cohesive team that don't really need him before this point. Unit 01' special berserking power would be revealed at this point.

Debate: Can Shinji handle the power of the berserking Eva? Does he want to?

Break into Two: Shinji decides to stay. His rivalry with Toji becomes more friendly and his relationship with Asuka more open, hinting at romantic possibilities.

B Story: Shinji's courage in future battles and competence draws Asuka to him, she opens up about her past.

Promise of the Premise: Angel battles, obviously, with a subplot of Misato and Kajyuga's spying on Nerv.

Midpoint: The four pilots are at their very best when disaster strikes. An angel that combines the attribudes of Bardiel and Armisael attacks and takes over Toji's Eva. Shinji freezes up, and Asuka is forced to defeat him, and he's crippled or killed. This is also the Bad Guys Close In moment.

All Is Lost: Shinji is thrown out of (rather than voluntarily leaving) Nerv for insubordination. He feels betrayed that Asuka and Misato are staying and sees it as a betrayal.

Dark Night of the Soul: Zeruel attacks, and Shinji manages to make it back to the Eva to save the day when Asuka and Rei go down. He oversynchs and is absorbed into the Eva.

Break into Three: Misato discovers that Seele has been orchestrating the whole thing and purposely releasing the angels one at a time to ensure their defeat. Now the last one is gone, and Seele plans to attack and initiate Third Impact.

Finale: On the verge of being killed, Asuka calls out to Shinji, and he awakens inside the Eva, completes his spiritual journey, and rises to rally the defenders and defeat Seele's Evas.

Final Image: Shinji and Asuka outside their respective Evas, embracing and kissing in front of the backdrop of a rising sun.

Now, there's a lot of room within this framework for adjustment. It might make sense to drop the Seele angle completely and have Gendo or Rei function as the final antagonist to be defeated, eliminating the whole MPE invasion angle entirely. That would also allow Gendo to stand in as a physical representation of Shinji's fear to be overcome.

The main point is that there is no time, nor need for the school, and without the weirdness of the main characters being right at the very beginning of puberty the romance is much more straightforward and heartfelt.

Now for this to be a fanfic and realistically represent what a novelization of a Hollywood movie would be, it would need to stick to 75-100,000 words. Big fanfics can often meet or exceed the length of The Lord of the Rings (Nobody Dies is about twice the length of LOTR at the moment) but to be true to the spirit of a paperback movie novelization we'd be looking at a medium length novel with straightforward, clean prose written at a late high school level, and it would probably be written in third person limited, but not tightly limited to an individual perspective unless it jumps around between characters (as there would likely be shifts in perspective in the movie itself)

The main thing beside the plot would be:

  • Big disaster setpieces during each of the angel attacks
  • Funny banter in the control room
  • Conflict between Ritsuko(or whoever she's turned into) and Misato that winds up with Rits betraying Gendo in some vital way that aids the pilots in saving the day at the cost of her own life.

Thoughts?

Another possibilty I should add: Merging Asuka and Shinji, and merging Rei and Kaworu, and making the combined Asuka-Shinji character the protagonist to achieve the fish-out-of-water effect that would be helpful in explaining Japanese customs to the audience without having a Japanese person question things he's known all his life.

Combining Asuka and Shinji sounds weird and illogical, but it would make the new character the child of Gendo and Kyoko, who has lived abroad, rather than with a relative, and is returning to Japan to answer the Call to Adventure. Making her female also means more GRRL Power points.

Combining Rei and Kaworu allows for some drama at the end, and an internal conflict in the love interest over loyalty to Gendo and love for Shinsuka.

Obviously I prefer a S/A story with the characters kept more intact.
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Postby Monk Ed » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:54 pm

That was like reading a creepypasta. Combined with bouts of laughter and deep, visceral "ugh"s.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:55 pm

Close your eyes and let Sassy Black Aoba whisper in your heart.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:15 pm

Needs more Mari.

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Postby StarShaper7 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:32 pm

A LAEM produced in Hollywood is bound to be focused on the visual spectacle and battle scenes rather than the introspection and post-modern (am I using that right?) storytelling techniques that are distinctly Eva. In the end the one thing that would make the whole project worth it would be seeing Emma Watson in a red plug suit. But would those fat cat hollywood execs take those away too?

edit: Evangelion is also just too anime-y for Hollywood. Look at how long a LA Akira's been in the talks.

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Postby Chuckman » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:14 pm

The plugsuits would probably end up looking like armored, skintight flight suits than the super-tight belly button sucking Q versions or even the originals. They'd probably have helmets, too.
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Postby Ray » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:21 pm

About that. . . The LA Akira is currently under production. It's still taking place in Neo NY instead of Neo Tokyo. It still has a 100% white cast, with Asian names, and still is going to suck!

If they would keep everything about it but just CHANGE THE NAME. I'd be happy. But no! Hollywood just loves to ruin the potential of great concepts with crap adaptations.

Ugh. . . Listen I know it's hard to accept but the only way an LAEM movie or TV show would work would be if it was made and produced by a Japanese studio.

Case in point you've got the live action Speed Racer, DragonBall, and Last Airbender Movies, produced by an American Studio, with an American cast, big name actors, and HUGE budgets and they all kind of sucked and bombed. Even when (at least in the case of Speed Racer and Last Airbender) you have a director who loves the source material. Due to executive meddling, Racist bias, lack of confidence in the films success etc.

but then you have decent live action adapations of Anime and Manga coming out of Japan and Korea made with little known actors and modest budgets and they are excellent. Like the Rurouni Kenshin movie, Oldboy, Tomie, heck even Annos own cheesy live action Cutey Honey!

If it was a live action Eva movie or TV show from Japan or Korea it would have at least a fighting chance of being good. But an AMERICAN LAEM? Forget it!
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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:27 pm

At this point, I'd rather read a fanfic ABOUT the making of a live action evangelion.
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:33 pm

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:At this point, I'd rather read a fanfic ABOUT the making of a live action evangelion.


I would do this, and tell a story about the LAEM cast haunted by apparitions of the characters, Even Horizon style, but FF.net has a policy against using real people in fanfic and the story would be removed.

Also I'm not sure a story about Emma Watson being awoken by spectral jizz really needs to exist.

I didn't intend this thread to be a discussion of the possibility of whether or not American LAEM will actually be made, only to discuss the idea of a novelization of a movie that doesn't exist, because that concept tickles my meta bone.

My notion of melding Shinji and Asuka into one character actually has merit from the perspective of telling a good story, I think.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:31 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:My notion of melding Shinji and Asuka into one character actually has merit from the perspective of telling a good story, I think.


There is a precedent for this though....
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Postby Chuckman » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:50 pm

You disappoint me, Guy Nacks. I sent that jizz line right over the plate, just for you. You didn't even swing at it.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:46 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Close your eyes and let Sassy Black Aoba whisper in your heart.


Samuel L Jackson as Aoba, cause he's in every movie.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:00 am

He's too old. He could be Fuyutsuki, but he'd have to be renamed to Mothefuckeryutsuki.

I had Orlando Jones in mind.

For the purposes of this thread we musn't think of who should be cast, but who would be cast. The Asian actors would look like somebody poached the sets of Godzilla (2014) and The Last Samurai and the casting of Asuka would make or break the picture... so they'd probably cast Kristen Stewart or something.

For mature themes, sexiness, etc. they would portray the kids as new adults (18 to college age) and most likely cast mid 20's actors.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:03 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:He's too old. He could be Fuyutsuki, but he'd have to be renamed to Mothefuckeryutsuki.

I had Orlando Jones in mind.

For the purposes of this thread we musn't think of who should be cast, but who would be cast. The Asian actors would look like somebody poached the sets of Godzilla (2014) and The Last Samurai and the casting of Asuka would make or break the picture... so they'd probably cast Kristen Stewart or something.

For mature themes, sexiness, etc. they would portray the kids as new adults (18 to college age) and most likely cast mid 20's actors.


I'd kinda like Emma Stone as Asuka, she looks gorgeous as redhead and is a darn fine actress.

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Postby Chuckman » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:38 am

I'm not sure she can pull of the requisite levels of sass. She's too "cute". Asuka needs a certain level of haughtiness tinged with vulnerability. To actually bring off her character the actress would need to do a lot of work with subtle facial expressions and looks, often in a way that contradicts what she's saying out loud.

Which is why they would cast Kristen Stewart and put a red wig on her.

I seriously wish I had time to write out the "novelization". I'm pretty sure I could balance a solid parody of Hollywoodisms with an actually engaging story, even if the "haunted LAEM set" is actually a better concept.
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Postby NemZ » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:20 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:subtle facial expressions

Kristen Stewart


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Postby astrophys » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:04 pm

Emma Watson as Asuka would be pretty cool. I've been a big fan of her since she first played Hermione Granger in Harry Potter (she is about 1.5 years older than me).

But its never going to happen, even if a LAEM was made, which itself probably will never happen.

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Postby El Squibbonator » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:06 pm

How much money do you think we could expect a live action Eva movie to make?
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Postby El Squibbonator » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:55 pm

In terms of Hollywood blockbusters, that's. . . not encouraging.
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Postby astrophys » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:07 pm

But remember, when Dr. Evil said that, he had to correct himself to…

ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS!



But in all seriousness, EVA will never be a huge blockbuster as it currently stands at the Hollywood box office.

Even Pacific Rim did way better internationally than in the American box offices. Wasn't it like $100 million domestic vs. $300 million or $400 million international?


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