"Rebuild of Evangelion"

For discussion of and submissions for the EvaGeeks Wiki and Commentary. Open to all posters.

Moderator: Board Staff

Sailor Star Dust
Kept you waiting, huh?
Kept you waiting, huh?
User avatar
Age: 32
Posts: 22563
Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Location: Living in Houston, TX
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Sailor Star Dust » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:26 pm

There's clarification right here, including a breakdown translation of each film (International English title, Japanese title, and English translation of the Japanese title).

EDIT: On that note, should wiki pages that mention alternate English translations in their article ("Movie Version", "Movie Edition", "Theatrical Version", etc) be switched to "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition", for consistency's sake with Funimation's rendering?
Last edited by Sailor Star Dust on Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
~Take care of yourself, I need you~

Nuclear Lunchbox
Agent Ahegao
Agent Ahegao
User avatar
Age: 20
Posts: 10212
Joined: Dec 13, 2012
Location: 可塑の椅子

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:29 pm

Well, now that I've heard both sides, I'm inclined to agree with titling our stuff with Rebuild of Evangelion. Just my thoughts.

Ornette
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Age: 43
Posts: 11733
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
Location: Pittsburgh/New York City
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ornette » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:34 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Right, but why bother with it there at all? I mean, isn't the important part making sure people get to the main pages for the new films, that they come up on search results when looking around? Why does it matter if the S-Dat page has Rebuild on it at all? If the new sections have links to the main ENT page that should be enough, shouldn't it? I do realize that people might arrive at pages through all manner of routes, but as long as they get directed to the main page at some point I don't see how there's any room for confusion on the issue.

Why would people get redirected to the main page? The main page of the wiki is rarely where they end up. And we are talking about the same thing here, right? The 50 or so articles, like Third Impact, Armisael, etc that have a section with content referring to their appearance or relation to the new movies. There's no "main page" for Third Impact, there's only one, Third Impact page.

There's statistics tracked for visitors and where they go. For example, here's one that says someone searched for "rebuild of evangelion hyuga", which landed them on the Makoto Hyuga page, and then they left. That page probably wasn't a great example, there's another one with Kaworu. But content pages are usually the landing pages, and just like most of the time when people are searching for a reference, they find what they're looking for (hopefully) and call it a day. There's also a lot of browsing, but almost all of the traffic (which are almost entirely generated from search engines) are 1 page visits. Unlike the forum, which looks to have an average of about 20-30 pages visited per visitor depending on the day of the week, the wiki averages barely over 1.

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:EDIT: On that note, should wiki pages that mention alternate English translations in their article ("Movie Version", "Movie Edition", "Theatrical Version", etc) be switched to "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition", for consistency's sake with Funimation's rendering?

Yes.
Paganini's 14th Caprice in Eb Maj - recordings from 2004 -Vinyl collection at Discogs.
I have a haiku,
Okay, Okay, here it is,
damn, I forgot it

Bagheera
Banned
User avatar
Posts: 18626
Joined: Oct 15, 2010

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Bagheera » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:56 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:There's clarification right here, including a breakdown translation of each film (International English title, Japanese title, and English translation of the Japanese title).

EDIT: On that note, should wiki pages that mention alternate English translations in their article ("Movie Version", "Movie Edition", "Theatrical Version", etc) be switched to "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition", for consistency's sake with Funimation's rendering?


I think they should all be switched to "Evangelion: New Theatrical" (written as Evangelion: New Theatrical series) since that's the official title. But "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition" would be okay by me since Funi's used it in an official release.

View Original PostOrnette wrote:Why would people get redirected to the main page?


I meant the main page for the ENT series. That or the individual movie pages are the ones that would see the most traffic, no? What I'm getting at is that the ENT series material on any of those fifty-odd pages would inevitably have a link back to the main ENT series page (currently titled "Rebuild of Evangelion"). So, on the ENT series and individual movie pages the name confusion would be clarified, and on all the others links in the text would lead to those pages, thus ensuring that visitors would not be confused.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
The law doesn't protect people. People protect the law. -- Akane Tsunemori, Psycho-Pass
People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.

Sailor Star Dust
Kept you waiting, huh?
Kept you waiting, huh?
User avatar
Age: 32
Posts: 22563
Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Location: Living in Houston, TX
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Sailor Star Dust » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:22 pm

Okay, I changed the name rendering to "Evangelion New Theatrical Edition" in wiki articles though I might have missed a few pages. If I did, please fix accordingly!

By the way, there's no way to get || to display right on the wiki. A shame since || is Final's title (and not ? anymore, unless ? was just a placeholder). :tongue:
~Take care of yourself, I need you~

Bagheera
Banned
User avatar
Posts: 18626
Joined: Oct 15, 2010

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Bagheera » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:29 pm

That works, but what about the Rebuild of Evangelion page? Are we cool with changing that to the proper title with an explanation of the naming confusion included, or are TPTB set on leaving it as is?

Also, thank you for your efforts!
For my post-3I fic, go here.
The law doesn't protect people. People protect the law. -- Akane Tsunemori, Psycho-Pass
People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.

Sailor Star Dust
Kept you waiting, huh?
Kept you waiting, huh?
User avatar
Age: 32
Posts: 22563
Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Location: Living in Houston, TX
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Sailor Star Dust » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:39 pm

What do you mean? That's one of the pages that was fixed, the others being the individual NTE pages (of course, Final is rendered as "New Evangelion Theatrical Edition" since it's sort of reversed from the other titles).
~Take care of yourself, I need you~

Bagheera
Banned
User avatar
Posts: 18626
Joined: Oct 15, 2010

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Bagheera » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:13 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:What do you mean? That's one of the pages that was fixed, the others being the individual NTE pages (of course, Final is rendered as "New Evangelion Theatrical Edition" since it's sort of reversed from the other titles).


Ah, I misunderstood. You were talking about making the translations consistent, not changing page titles and such. My mistake.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
The law doesn't protect people. People protect the law. -- Akane Tsunemori, Psycho-Pass
People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.

Ornette
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Age: 43
Posts: 11733
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
Location: Pittsburgh/New York City
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ornette » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:16 pm

So people are still continuing to change page headings and templates? WTF?
Paganini's 14th Caprice in Eb Maj - recordings from 2004 -Vinyl collection at Discogs.
I have a haiku,
Okay, Okay, here it is,
damn, I forgot it

Sailor Star Dust
Kept you waiting, huh?
Kept you waiting, huh?
User avatar
Age: 32
Posts: 22563
Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Location: Living in Houston, TX
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Sailor Star Dust » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:22 pm

What articles are you seeing that for? Don't think I've gotten any email notifications about that (maybe they're articles I don't have under the "watch" command).
~Take care of yourself, I need you~

Nuclear Lunchbox
Agent Ahegao
Agent Ahegao
User avatar
Age: 20
Posts: 10212
Joined: Dec 13, 2012
Location: 可塑の椅子

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:35 pm

A few pages on the angels and some settings, as well as the Evangelion template. The latter was my doing, so I'll fess up to that right now.

Wait, I stand corrected. There's a metric ton of pages that are being edited back.

ath
Clockiel
Clockiel
User avatar
Age: 33
Posts: 406
Joined: Jun 13, 2009
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby ath » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:27 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:By the way, there's no way to get || to display right on the wiki. A shame since || is Final's title (and not ? anymore, unless ? was just a placeholder). :tongue:

Are any of these useful? I don't know how widely supported they are, but they seem to work on the few systems I've tried.
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/musical_symbols/list.htm

Nuclear Lunchbox
Agent Ahegao
Agent Ahegao
User avatar
Age: 20
Posts: 10212
Joined: Dec 13, 2012
Location: 可塑の椅子

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:30 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:By the way, there's no way to get || to display right on the wiki. A shame since || is Final's title (and not ? anymore, unless ? was just a placeholder). :tongue:

Done. Use the -nowiki- text -/nowiki- code.

The Eva Monkey
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Posts: 8798
Joined: Jun 14, 2004
Location: The Evanets.
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby The Eva Monkey » Thu May 15, 2014 10:15 am

As much as I can see why we should shed "Rebuild", as a misnomer, we have to understand that we are a small subset of a larger fandom which refers to it as "Rebuild". When those other fans want to know about "Rebuild of Evangelion", that's what they look for, that's what they search for. If we change all our terminology, they won't come here. They won't find anything, they won't learn anything.

Until the rest of the fandom stops calling it "Rebuild of Evangelion", we need to title our information (to some degree) in a manner that will allow people to find relevant information. That's the way the internet works.

Just add the relevant naming information in the wiki and use it in actual discussion.

Dataprime
Donor
Donor
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 2507
Joined: Oct 23, 2013
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Dataprime » Fri May 16, 2014 9:26 am

I just use the 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc. names

Also isn't that way easier to say than "The Rebuild movies"? :shrug:

I genuinely love how good Evangelion hurts
- Suicidahlia

She's so cute. Like crazy cute. Like "She's giving me the diabetus" cute. - Gendo'sPapa

robersora
Angel
Angel
User avatar
Age: 25
Posts: 3333
Joined: May 17, 2011
Location: Europe, Austria
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby robersora » Fri May 16, 2014 11:35 am

Or just use NME. What's the fuss all about? It's just a name.
2Q||3.33 _ 神殺しを行う
Decadent Stoned Slacker Socialist

TMBounty_Hunter
Hachigouki is my waifu
Hachigouki is my waifu
User avatar
Posts: 3090
Joined: Nov 08, 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Fri May 16, 2014 1:54 pm

View Original PostDataprime wrote:I just use the 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 etc. names

Also isn't that way easier to say than "The Rebuild movies"? :shrug:


Jo, Ha, Q is even easier to say and type.

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Or just use NME. What's the fuss all about? It's just a name.


NME is incorrect. Japan's official english as used in the khara calendar is "Evangelion New Theatrical" so it's ENT if anything.
"Hooray for other things!" -NAveryW

Ornette
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Age: 43
Posts: 11733
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
Location: Pittsburgh/New York City
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ornette » Fri May 16, 2014 4:39 pm

While I wholeheartedly agree that "it's just a name", and sometimes find it comical how much effort has gone into this whole affair, the problem being addressed is very real.

For instance, until TMB's post, I had no idea what "ENT" stood for, people were using it on these forums and I would read posts and think, "dunno what that means, oh well", and move on, and satisfied that I didn't understand. People are using ENT now, and people still use NME, and some people apparently use NTE, and I guarantee that new people coming here to read posts don't know what any of that means, and like me, will just shrug and move on. So it's a name and anybody is free to use whatever name they like, but if people don't know what you're referring to by a name, then the point of expressing an idea is lost.
Paganini's 14th Caprice in Eb Maj - recordings from 2004 -Vinyl collection at Discogs.
I have a haiku,
Okay, Okay, here it is,
damn, I forgot it

Bagheera
Banned
User avatar
Posts: 18626
Joined: Oct 15, 2010

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Bagheera » Fri May 16, 2014 4:51 pm

. . . and we address that by using the correct name consistently, so that people who come here get educated about the matter, and then fixing things becomes a minor issue. In many ways this is a self-fulfilling prophecy: when you say people don't know the proper name and then go on to use the improper name almost exclusively it of course becomes true. But that can work in reverse as well if we put some effort into it.
For my post-3I fic, go here.
The law doesn't protect people. People protect the law. -- Akane Tsunemori, Psycho-Pass
People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.

Ornette
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Age: 43
Posts: 11733
Joined: Dec 26, 2005
Location: Pittsburgh/New York City
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ornette » Fri May 16, 2014 5:05 pm

And like I said, we're like 8 years too late.

And it's not even us. You can't blame people for using "Rebuild" all this time, and propagating the "wrong name" for years. You can blame it on the fact that it was the first thing anyone saw on the first announcement of the new project "Rebuild of Evangelion", printed all over all the magazines, in gigantic fonts. There was no other name for the project, the first movie was another 2 years + after that announcement. You can also blame it on the fact that Khara never bothered with an international name for the project, until like a few months ago apparently.

We're a miniscule part of the international fandom. Using words that all other Eva forums and communities don't use isn't going to get any traction at this point. You can google it, or just look at the statistics that I posted previously in this thread. We're pretty much the ONLY ones who refer to the movies as such, and we have little to zero authority or means to change the way fans outside of this place want to call it.

And most people just don't care enough to get it right, me included.
Paganini's 14th Caprice in Eb Maj - recordings from 2004 -Vinyl collection at Discogs.
I have a haiku,
Okay, Okay, here it is,
damn, I forgot it


Return to “The Editorium”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest