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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:50 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the forums came to a consensus a while ago that the correct term for the new movies was "New Theatrical Edition". The wiki is littered with references to Rebuild as pertaining to the movies, and not the special features. Cleanup seems to be needed.

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Postby ElMariachi » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:04 pm

I started that work some time ago, but apparently the consensus is to use the "Rebuild of Evangelion" designation, because that's how must people call it, even if it's not the official name.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:07 pm

That does seem to be the consensus, but I'm actually with Nuke on this one -- the name of the work is "Evangelion New Theatrical series", and that's official as of the Khara calendars (which have it written in English in a couple of different places). We can't change the name of the forum for technical reasons, but we can (and should) attempt to stick with the official name (or something very similar, such as "Evangelion New Movie Edition" or Evangelion New Theatrical Edition") on the wiki whenever possible.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:42 pm

Obviously, replacing everything is going to be somewhat invasive and may take a week or so to pull off. I'll do the best that I can though.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:33 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:because that's how must people call it, even if it's not the official name.


If I remember right, changing things the wiki and forums from "Rebuild of Evangelion" can screw up certain settings (Google search, etc). That's why we have to leave it alone. Maybe somebody else that remembers more details can go into a better explanation than me.

The pages for Eva 1.0, etc proper do use the official title (Funimation's translated it at least 2 different ways and either way works) and refer to Rebuild of Evangelion as the making of special (that's where the name is used) whenever possible.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:40 pm

Ah. I take it making that big of a change is a nasty idea, then.

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:17 pm

My understanding is that the changes would be bad for the forums, not the wiki, but it's been awhile since I read through Eva Monkey's explanation of the whys of it. Perhaps he'll weigh in on the matter snd set us all straight.
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Postby Dream » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:50 pm

Rebuild sounds much better than New Theatrical Edition anyways.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:59 pm

khara's in-house translator renders "Wevangeliwon Shingekijouban" as "Evangelion: New Theatrical" (with the colon), so if anything is going to be used, it should be that.

Note that "series" (shiri-zu) is just additional description from the blurb in the calendar, and NOT part of the series' title.

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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:41 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:khara's in-house translator renders "Wevangeliwon Shingekijouban" as "Evangelion: New Theatrical" (with the colon), so if anything is going to be used, it should be that.

Note that "series" (shiri-zu) is just additional description from the blurb in the calendar, and NOT part of the series' title.


Yes, correct. That's why I formatted it as I did.

And Dream, using an erroneous title because it sounds better is a bad idea. We should be using the correct title, not the catchy one (though I think "New Theatrical Edition" sounds better than "Rebuild" anyway, so mileage varies on that front).
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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:52 pm

How about Neo Neon Genesis Evangelion?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:22 pm

"Rebuild" is what people search for, and so it's what to use to get google-juice.
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Postby Blue Monday » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:48 pm

Good reply from Ornette on SEO/analytics of this subject:
http://forum.evageeks.org/post/515689/Rebuild-vs-NME/#515689
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:07 pm

Yes, that's relevant for the forums. But we're talking about the wiki here, which is separate. Finding the Rebuild forum is important, but any particular page in the wiki, particularly since the individual movie pages already use the correct titles? Not seeing it.
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Postby Blue Monday » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:29 pm

Without getting into too much detail, it's still relevant to the wiki pages from SEO POV because "Rebuild" is going to have a larger search volume by far (too lazy to login into my Google Keywords account to reference numbers). If we were to change it all to NTE it will have a huge effect on page meta-data meaning the pages simply won't appear effectively in search engine results of "Rebuild of Evangelion" or the like.

The note of Evangelion: New Theatrical edition being the official title should maybe just be made more prominent on each respective page...
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:39 pm

View Original PostBlue Monday wrote:Without getting into too much detail, it's still relevant to the wiki pages from SEO POV because "Rebuild" is going to have a larger search volume by far (too lazy to login into my Google Keywords account to reference numbers). If we were to change it all to NTE it will have a huge effect on page meta-data meaning the pages simply won't appear effectively in search engine results of "Rebuild of Evangelion" or the like.

The note of Evangelion: New Theatrical edition being the official title should maybe just be made more prominent on each respective page...


Do we want big search results for the wiki pages, though? I would think we'd want people to start with the forums and then move to the wiki as a reference point later, so it shouldn't matter much whether or not it's a primary hit.
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Postby Dream » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:44 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Do we want big search results for the wiki pages, though? I would think we'd want people to start with the forums and then move to the wiki as a reference point later, so it shouldn't matter much whether or not it's a primary hit.


I'm not sure if that would be a very good idea. Aside from the fact the forums might drive some members away from the wiki and other things the Evageeks site has to offer, IIRC the wiki was the first experience many users had with the site and what made them stay rather than the forum. At least i think i had such an experience/introduction with the place.
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Postby UrsusArctos » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:46 pm

Even without the SEO issue, I'd rather keep using Rebuild on the Wiki simply because the word is what everyone defaults to. "Rebuild" means that fans know what you're talking about, while "New Movie Edition" or "New Theatrical Edition" leave people scratching their heads. And frankly, the traffic coming in to the wiki should be independent of what comes to the forum, which is fine.
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Postby Ornette » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:35 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Yes, that's relevant for the forums. But we're talking about the wiki here, which is separate. Finding the Rebuild forum is important, but any particular page in the wiki, particularly since the individual movie pages already use the correct titles? Not seeing it.

It's even higher for the wiki. Over 98% of all traffic going to the wiki comes from search engines. And, like it was when this all started, "Rebuild" is the highest search word outside of the names of the characters, or the word "Eva" or "Evangelion" or "Angel".

It's a little easier to mitigate on the wiki because you can still leave the links intact, and have it internally redirect. And even if the titles for the movies are "Evangelion 2.0: You Can (Not) Advance", the word "Rebuild" is littered all over the place, in templates, info boxes, headings, etc.

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Do we want big search results for the wiki pages, though? I would think we'd want people to start with the forums and then move to the wiki as a reference point later, so it shouldn't matter much whether or not it's a primary hit.

Believe it or not, once you remove the googlebot traffic, the amount of page visits on the wiki is more than double of that of the forums. People all over the world visit the wiki, including a sizeable portion of visits from Japan. And the number of unique visitors (that is a "person" as opposed to someone viewing a page), is almost triple that of the forums on a daily basis.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:39 pm

That should mean changing the text isn't a problem, right? Since it will redirect and all, I mean.
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