Evangelion 3.33 FAQ

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Tue May 14, 2013 9:18 am

I notice that for the Asuka's Left Eye post the quote from Ritsuko is:

All physiological traces of contamination have disappeared


Although in the English subs it's:

The cellular corrosion has dissipated


Is the former the correct translation?

Also, is it OK to refer to the green Evas from the preview as MP Evas? I want to create a page for "Mass Production Evangelions (Rebuild)" from the red link in the Evangelions category, but I'm not sure how to actually adress them in the article since we haven't got their proper designation yet.
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Postby Reichu » Tue May 14, 2013 11:11 am

View Original PostShinoyami65 wrote:Is the former the correct translation?

Even the film festival subs by khara's translator Dan Kanemitsu say, "Physiologically, all traces
of corruption are gone, but there is the chance her mind was infiltrated." No idea where "cellular corrosion" came from.

Also, is it OK to refer to the green Evas from the preview as MP Evas?

It's a tentative assignment, but the best we have for now. Just mention in the article that it's tentative, and we're good to go.
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Postby Kendrix » Wed May 15, 2013 6:57 pm

I must applaud this so far, it looks sufficiently "neutral", detailed, and adresses just the most obvious youtube-comment kind of question.

It's cool how you have already dissected the visuals of the impact landscape, all the details etc. Just makes me notice once again what a freakin huge information density this movie has.

...Then again, I find it sad that it toke Anno going all mindrape-ey on us to get people to do serious interpretation work on Rebuild.
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Postby Reichu » Sat May 18, 2013 6:41 pm

If even Kendrix thinks this is "neutral", I guess the FAQ is doing a pretty good job! :tongue:

It still needs help, though! I suspect there are some very obvious questions that I've forgotten to add, by virtue of taking the answers for granted by now. Some of the questions have pretty lame answers, or no answers at all. And lastly, sources for the speculation need to be tracked down. I've started the process, but it would be much easier with multiple memories hard at work.

The analysis page on Third Impact hasn't gotten very far. I mean, I started typing out things for the "forming conclusions" section, but everything is such an information-dense mess that my brain easily got tied into knots. Some input on how to approach the matter would be much appreciated.
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Postby Rei IV » Sat May 18, 2013 7:01 pm

I really like what you've done in regards to the whereabouts of Rei II (and her soul placement), as it seems I wasn't the only who suspected she may not even be in Unit-01 or at least don't necessarily take Fuyutsuki's (or Ritsuko's) words at face value. Very considerate of other POV and opinions and you've out done yourself! I especially love the explanation of Misato's cold demeanor to Shinji, clarification that she did NOT necessarily endorse his actions in 2.22, and that it seems to look at things from her POV and not petulant, infantile, widdle Shinji and his hurt feelings.

My only criticism, and this is just really at pet peeve of mine in regards to Wiki related things, is the multiple "Source needed" tags, they just really scream "LOL SAUCE PLZ". In all, good job.


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Postby Reichu » Sat May 18, 2013 7:32 pm

View Original PostRei IV wrote:Very considerate of other POV and opinions and you've out done yourself!

I did try to include alternate POVs when I felt I understood the other side and could represent it properly/concisely. If there are omissions, it's generally because I didn't "internalize" a particular argument, and nobody else bothered to put it there in my stead.

My only criticism, and this is just really at pet peeve of mine in regards to Wiki related things, is the multiple "Source needed" tags, they just really scream "LOL SAUCE PLZ".

Those are places where posts proposing the speculations need to be hunted down (to show that things weren't spontaneously made up for the FAQ). It's one of the things I asked for help doing. :wink:
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Postby Blue Monday » Wed May 22, 2013 5:23 am

Re: How did Shinji learn piano so fast?

Should probably be noted that the scene is obviously an abstraction. Shinji couldn't be playing 'Quatre Mains' near perfeclty in the first session as the movie shows. The implication or impression is of a passing of time; that this is the end result of days, possibly even weeks, of practise - Hence the last cut with Shinji mimicking the keys in his room; he knows the piece almost by heart now.
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Postby Reichu » Wed May 22, 2013 9:53 am

Blue Monday: Shinji's first sit-down at the piano is not a montage. It happens in real time, and as the FAQ says, he goes "from poking at keys with one finger to being able to effectively duet with Kaworu."
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Postby pwhodges » Wed May 22, 2013 10:00 am

Doesn't mean it's not still an abstraction of the learning process; that's how I see it (as I've said before).
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Postby Charsi » Wed May 22, 2013 3:06 pm

re: Moon red grid. I just noticed the same grid of red crosses appears in Mari's entry plug when she inverts the controls of Eva-02. Though that's probably just a co-incidence.

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Postby Shinoyami65 » Fri May 31, 2013 11:13 pm

View Original PostCharsi wrote:re: Moon red grid. I just noticed the same grid of red crosses appears in Mari's entry plug when she inverts the controls of Eva-02. Though that's probably just a co-incidence.


Seeing as corss-shaped grids aren't uncommon in Q (the Code 4C pillars of light form a grid, and there is a grid-shaped pattern on Lilith's skin) it's probably a coincidence.
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:53 pm

I think the Mari nickname section should be amended to include the previous nicknames Asuka gave to Shinji and Rei in 2.0 since basically all 3 nicknames imply they didn't get to be Eva pilots based on merit (unlike super awesome pilot Shikinami).


This will need some proper editing before being added to the wiki since I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't really know the best format to present this, but maybe a table might work? I'm also mostly useless at wiki code so someone will probably be able to come up with something better and add all the references.

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{| border="1"
|+
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|'''Pilot'''
|'''Nickname'''
(In all cases the script and subtitles use katakana)
|'''Translation'''
|'''Explanation'''

|-
|Shinji
|ナナヒカリ
nanahikari
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|Comes from "oya no nanahikari" (親の七光り) an expression used for someone who gets ahead based on a parent's stature or hard work, implying Shinji only gets to be a pilot because of his father's position as the head of Nerv.

|-
|Rei
|エコヒイキ
ekohiiki
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|From "ekohiiki" (依估贔屓), meaning favoritism. Implying favoritism.

|-
|Mari
|コネメガネ
konemegane
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|This means something like "glasses-wearing person with connections", and is a pun on hone megane ("horn-rimmed glasses"). The implication is that Mari got to be an Eva pilot not because of ''what'' she knows, but because of ''who'' she knows.

|}
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Postby iihieiii » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:15 pm

I have one doubt...This movie was "remade" all over again in the middle of the production or just is speculation ?!

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:44 pm

View Original Postiihieiii wrote:I have one doubt...This movie was "remade" all over again in the middle of the production or just is speculation ?!


Pure speculation at this point but we won't get a proper answer until the CRC is out.
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Postby riffraff11235 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:02 pm

Did we ever get an answer on why 3.0 was filmed in Cinemascope?
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:35 pm

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Did we ever get an answer on why 3.0 was filmed in Cinemascope?

I don't think Anno haas ever mentioned why yet. I just know that it give the events a real sense of scale and allows for more visual distance between the characters, which falls in line with how Shinji feels in most of the movie: distant.

...at least, that's why most movies do that. But as far as Anno is concerned, it could be just another Godzilla reference. (Most of that stuff was shot in 2.35:1.)
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Postby riffraff11235 » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:54 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:But as far as Anno is concerned, it could be just another Godzilla reference. (Most of that stuff was shot in 2.35:1.)

Huh, I never knew that. Knowing Anno, it probably was another nod to his tokusatsu roots, at least in part.
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Postby ElMariachi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:12 am

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:...at least, that's why most movies do that. But as far as Anno is concerned, it could be just another Godzilla reference. (Most of that stuff was shot in 2.35:1.)

Was 3.33 sho in 2.35:1 or in 2.39:1, the current norm for the Cinemascope process?
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:33 am

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Huh, I never knew that. Knowing Anno, it probably was another nod to his tokusatsu roots, at least in part.

Well he seems to have deliberately dug up the old and grainy Toei logo instead of using the modern version.
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3.33 is closer to 2.35:1 than to 2:39
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:18 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Was 3.33 sho in 2.35:1 or in 2.39:1, the current norm for the Cinemascope process?

2.35:1, as it's the cinemascope commonly used in Asian films. Other films outside of Asia have been known to have a wider image up to 2.40:1, though. (Such as the last two Sam Raimi Spiderman films.)
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