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[SPOILERS]4.0 Speculation: Who will die?

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Postby Guy Nacks » Wed May 01, 2013 10:28 pm

Spec thread for who we think is gonna die in FINAL.

Personally, I think the death list might include:

Gendo
Misato
Kensuke (if he's even alive)
Mari (in a sacrificial death scene that will give her the importance she desperately needs)
and a couple of the Bridge Bunnies.
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Postby chee » Wed May 01, 2013 10:43 pm

Everyone, except Aoba, who, as EoE taught us, always has a giant box of firearms under his workstation just in case.

At the end of the film, he will be shirtless, bloodied, and holding up for all to see the heads of his enemies, screaming in primal fury, and reveling in the lamentations of their women and children.

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Postby CorporalChaos » Wed May 01, 2013 10:52 pm

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Misato 1-1
Mari 1-1
Asuka 1-1
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Postby Chuckman » Wed May 01, 2013 11:07 pm

View Original Postchee wrote:Everyone, except Aoba, who, as EoE taught us, always has a giant box of firearms under his workstation just in case.


You mean, you don't?

Asuka is the final angel, and will die.

Then Mari will be surrounded by enemies and about to lose hope when Asuka appears to her as a blazing valkyrie and ask if she wants to live forever, giving her the courage to persevere and win.

Shinji is going to die, at least in a metaphysical sense when he erases himself and gives his past self another chance to correct his mistakes.
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Postby Jadley » Wed May 01, 2013 11:24 pm

everyone except but Shinji, Asuka and Mari, they'll become giant naked beings and they'll have an awesome space threesome.
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Postby AlphaGamma » Wed May 01, 2013 11:56 pm

Misato, Ritsuko, Gendo, Mari and Rei (and various secondary characters ofc) will probably all die one way or another...

As for Asuka, i have the feeling she will survive the rebuild, i just don't see her dying as likely considering what she's survived up until this point.

Shinji is going to die, at least in a metaphysical sense when he erases himself and gives his past self another chance to correct his mistakes.


I doubt this will ever happen. Remember what Eva is about...
Certainly not running away or redoing things. Failing to "redo" in 3.0 should be an indication of where the movies are going. Going forward no matter what and possibly rebuilding from scratch a new world. This is closer to the message associated with Evangelion. (Ofc it's impossible to say for sure atm)

Anyway, i guess it's still possible for Shinji to die but, if he does, it won't be in a metaphysical way, cause that would be an easy way out and Anno won't allow him to just easily abandon the world he's nearly destroyed (twice), i'm pretty sure.

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Postby NemZ » Thu May 02, 2013 12:44 am

At this point I hope they just kill everyone and reboot with an Ideon ending.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Thu May 02, 2013 12:47 am

View Original PostNemZ wrote:At this point I hope they just kill everyone and reboot with an Ideon ending.

Seconded.
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Postby Monk Ed » Thu May 02, 2013 12:49 am

I saw NemZ's name beside this topic and clicked the topic thinking "I bet NemZ is going to say he hopes everyone dies".

:lol:

My speculation is actually quite opposite. I think everyone is going to live. I think the world will be reborn and there will be an actual happy end.

The funny part is that I'm not sure I'll like it as much that way. I hated Bard's Nephilim, after all. Cool guy though. Just sayin'.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Thu May 02, 2013 1:02 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:My speculation is actually quite opposite. I think everyone is going to live. I think the world will be reborn and there will be an actual happy end.

This isn't really the opposite, in an Ideon ending everyone is reborn after getting killed, the Fate of Destruction is the Joy of Rebirth, after all Anno already abundantly copied from Tomino before.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Thu May 02, 2013 1:14 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:My speculation is actually quite opposite. I think everyone is going to live. I think the world will be reborn and there will be an actual happy end.


We're talking about Anno.

We're talking about Evangelion.

It's the finale......


If no characters have a death scene in this movie, that will be the most surprising move Anno will pull in his life.
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Postby Monk Ed » Thu May 02, 2013 1:27 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:If no characters have a death scene in this movie, that will be the most surprising move Anno will pull in his life.

Eeexactlyyy!

It's supposed to be DIFFERENT, RIGHT? :lol:
View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:This isn't really the opposite, in an Ideon ending everyone is reborn after getting killed, the Fate of Destruction is the Joy of Rebirth, after all Anno already abundantly copied from Tomino before.

Oh, really? I thought they fused into a single collective being.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu May 02, 2013 1:29 am

View Original PostGuy Nacks wrote:Mari (in a sacrificial death scene that will give her the importance she desperately needs)
I remember when we were waiting for Ha and the consensus seemed to be that Mari would show up for one fight scene and be killed, leaving the real professionals to deal with whatever. Outside a full-on-Tomino ending, at current I expect her to be amongst the last left standing.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Thu May 02, 2013 1:44 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:Oh, really? I thought they fused into a single collective being.

It was implied that they restarted life on another planet in the ending.
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Postby Amitch1991 » Thu May 02, 2013 1:46 am

I think that the people that die in Final will be : Misato, Gendo, Mari, Asuka and Ritsuko, i don't see Rei and Shinji dying to be honest
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Postby Dima » Thu May 02, 2013 1:51 am

Gendo and Fuytsuki probably.Maybe Mari and Rei too.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu May 02, 2013 1:58 am

I don't see Mari dying myself. She seems to have some meta-knowledge of what's going on, and perhaps, in contrast to Gendou's coldness towards Shinji, she represents a sympathetic view of him from the part of the world that Gendou represents. Thus it would be appropriate for her to live while Gendou dies.

Of course, both Misato and Asuka have shown kindness to Shinji as well (even in Q, if not so obviously - I mean, Misato by not activating the DSS choker first time, and Asuka by rescuing the limp rag at the end). I guess it's too simplistic to say: nice to Shinji = live, nasty to Shinji = die; so I expect the same as before, with Misato dying, sacrificing herself to save him, but Asuka being there at the end - because after all we all need someone to call us stupid, don't we?
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Postby Monk Ed » Thu May 02, 2013 2:22 am

You make a compelling point, pwhodges -- about the possibility of things going as they did before.

A question I keep asking myself as I think about how Final will go is: Will NME ultimately wind up fundamentally similar to or different from its predecessor?

Because you see, it has been both in maddening ways thus far. It's been "different", obviously, especially with Q's radical change of setting, but as far as the story being told it's been the same fare so far. Of all the spoilers that I saw before I decided to go cold turkey until the BD release, the one I considered least likely ("Kaworu sacrifices himself to prevent Fourth Impact") or at least cared about the least turned out to be the only one of that particular batch that was correct. And my main reason for discarding it was "No way, too predictable, that's been done before, isn't Rebuild supposed to be new?" And then it happened anyway, pretty much the entire story of episodes 23 and 24 step-for-step.

I noticed that an ending where humanity is restored at the end would satisfy that same maddening union of similarity and dissimilarity: It would be similar to the original if you interpret the ending of the original as being Everybody Lives (again), and it would be dissimilar to the original if you interpret the ending of the original as being Everybody Dies, but even if you don't, it would also be dissimilar to the original in that (hopefully) it would actually be clear this time that Everybody Lives.

So, there's some of my reasoning, at least.

I mean, how far afield has Anno really gone? As far as the central plot goes (i.e. Shinji's), not very. The changes in circumstances have done a lot to alter its meaning, sure, but so far things have largely been "surface similar" and so I think there's ample reason to think that the ending will follow suit.
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Postby AlphaGamma » Thu May 02, 2013 2:35 am

View Original PostMonk Ed wrote:I would find an ending where humanity is restored at the end to be satisfying in this regard, because it satisfies that same maddening union of similarity and dissimilarity: It would be similar to the original if you interpret the ending of the original as being Everybody Lives (again), and it would be dissimilar to the original if you interpret the ending of the original as being Everybody Dies, but even if you don't, it would also be dissimilar to the original in that (hopefully) it would actually be clear this time that Everybody Lives.


Tbh the ending of the original is quite clear... Everyone is given a choice between existing and not existing. So it's not "everybody lives" or "everybody dies", but everyone is allowed to choose for him/herself.

Still, i do expect a more straightforward ending.

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Of course, both Misato and Asuka have shown kindness to Shinji as well (even in Q, if not so obviously - I mean, Misato by not activating the DSS choker first time, and Asuka by rescuing the limp rag at the end). I guess it's too simplistic to say: nice to Shinji = live, nasty to Shinji = die; so I expect the same as before, with Misato dying, sacrificing herself to save him, but Asuka being there at the end - because after all we all need someone to call us stupid, don't we?


I have a hard time thinking of someone who's been truly nasty to Shinji...
Asuka actually rescues him twice, Mari encourages him, Misato may be cold but she shows she still cares about him a bit; nobody openly attacks Shinji.
Anyway, for some reason Asuka's VA is apparently optimistic about the future of her character (from the interviews). I guess i've been influenced by that in my opinion about her fate.

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Postby Monk Ed » Thu May 02, 2013 2:51 am

View Original PostAlphaGamma wrote:Tbh the ending of the original is quite clear... Everyone is given a choice between existing and not existing. So it's not "everybody lives" or "everybody dies", but everyone is allowed to choose for him/herself.

:lol: For some reason my brain interprets that in the same vein as "everyone lives". Probably because I like to believe that (nearly) all the main cast would choose to live again.
Anyway, for some reason Asuka's VA is apparently optimistic about the future of her character (from the interviews). I guess i've been influenced by that in my opinion about her fate.

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