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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all of the glyph sequences we see in the movies were made by encoding different pieces of music using that chart. I just can't see Anno doing something like this randomly....
EDIT: So I decided to go through the part with the DSS Choker glyphs and record the corresponding letters for myself. Here's what I got, in order:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
I think it's interesting to note that the seven repeated letters appear together both inside the "code" and at the end:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
Any amateur cryptographers out there who can give us some insight?
EDIT: So I decided to go through the part with the DSS Choker glyphs and record the corresponding letters for myself. Here's what I got, in order:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
I think it's interesting to note that the seven repeated letters appear together both inside the "code" and at the end:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
Any amateur cryptographers out there who can give us some insight?
だから みんな 死んでしまえば いいのに... では, あなたは何故, ココにいるの? ...ココにいても, いいの?
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riffraff11235 wrote:I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all of the glyph sequences we see in the movies were made by encoding different pieces of music using that chart. I just can't see Anno doing something like this randomly....
EDIT: So I decided to go through the part with the DSS Choker glyphs and record the corresponding letters for myself. Here's what I got, in order:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
I think it's interesting to note that the seven repeated letters appear together both inside the "code" and at the end:
CKLNFUYTSRJVIEOMDBAXHZGWQFTYSJUR
Any amateur cryptographers out there who can give us some insight?
Might be a silly thought, but since it's been confirmed they could be both read as music and english, perhaps there's one more reading?
The 5 down format of the chart leads me to believe there's a potential Japanese conversion. If we assume the first (or in the case of Japanese, last) 3 down are Wa Wo N, then perhaps the following are Japanese hiragana characters with addition to voiced characters. Like so:
[code:1]
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ETC
わ ら や ま ぱ ば は な だ た ETC
を り * み ぴ び ひ に ぢ ち ETC
ん る ゆ む ぷ ぶ ふ ぬ づ つ ETC
れ * め ぺ べ へ ね で てETC
ろ よ も ぽ ぼ ほ の ど と ETC
[/code:1]
If you keep following that path, though, you only get 15 out of 18. That plus the missing Ye and Yi characters, but perhaps there's some possibility still. Anno is well known for using old / obscure characters in Japanese, so perhaps Yi and Ye were reintroduced into this new conversion system? Or the entirety of wa wi wu we wo, instead of just wa and wo. I'm pretty sure we is used in the logo, so perhaps there's some potential. I'd have to see what the Japanese fans are coming up with.
edit: Also, it would be amazing if the forums had a Anno-rune set of emoticons. xD
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ElMariachi wrote:For info, the famous sound that plays when Shinji is losing it badly in that corridor that the reddit thread is refeiring to :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pe8rrpd0eU
EDIT : acording to some comments on the YT link, this song is based on the song "Borderline Case" from NGE... which is a song that plays when we are deep into Asuka's infamous Mind Rape scene...
Personally I don't find any similarity, but you can try :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivxT0m4LfXg
Still, if it's true... then stop it Anno... please just fucking stop it.
Oh, I recognized that when I first heard the soundtrack. (It was before I saw the movie.) I was like "YES! This tune again! Wait... NO! Not this tune again!!!"
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And I still can't see the similarities... I alway had poor musical ears...
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Kensuke is a military otaku who, at one point, is shown creepily taking pictures of girls to sell. He would clearly fit right in as an animator at Studio Gainax. -- Compiling_Autumn
EoTV is a therapist, EoE is a drill instructor. -- Chuckman
Seriously, that is the most fananked theory I've ever heard, more than Mari being Marty McFly travelling through time to keep her parents (Asushin) together. -- Jäeger
The melody is a bit faint in the borderline case version. It's easily compared to something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hEXKnuJRA0
Gap of Dream - End of Evangelion.
It's the same melody that the synth-voices play in the background of borderline case. It's generally a melody reserved for the mind / instrumentality scenes IIRC, which is fitting with it's use in Q.
edit: Also, can we call this written language Evangelian?
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Just wrote a little Python script using the winsound module that can play the tune using Windows System beeps! Well, most of it anyway. Unfortunately the beeps can't go below 37 Hz, and the lowest key on the piano hits 27.5.
...That was 30 minutes well-spent.
EDIT: If any of you manage to get a sequence of numbers out of the various glyph images we've seen, feel free to send them to me and I'll let you know if they make some sort of recognizable tune when decoded. By "numbers", I mean those corresponding to piano keys.
EDIT: Guys, I just plugged in the numbers corresponding to the four glyphs on the Neo-Nerv logo, and if I'm hearing correctly it sounds like they make the four note harmony you hear in the background when Eva-13 starts going down the main shaft.
...That was 30 minutes well-spent.
EDIT: If any of you manage to get a sequence of numbers out of the various glyph images we've seen, feel free to send them to me and I'll let you know if they make some sort of recognizable tune when decoded. By "numbers", I mean those corresponding to piano keys.
EDIT: Guys, I just plugged in the numbers corresponding to the four glyphs on the Neo-Nerv logo, and if I'm hearing correctly it sounds like they make the four note harmony you hear in the background when Eva-13 starts going down the main shaft.
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Cool! Higher-res scans will definitely come in handy!
だから みんな 死んでしまえば いいのに... では, あなたは何故, ココにいるの? ...ココにいても, いいの?
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Can you post the melody?
That would mean that the glyph system isn't a written langage, but an auditive one, a new universal way of communication based on music instead of words?
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Kensuke is a military otaku who, at one point, is shown creepily taking pictures of girls to sell. He would clearly fit right in as an animator at Studio Gainax. -- Compiling_Autumn
EoTV is a therapist, EoE is a drill instructor. -- Chuckman
Seriously, that is the most fananked theory I've ever heard, more than Mari being Marty McFly travelling through time to keep her parents (Asushin) together. -- Jäeger
Kensuke is a military otaku who, at one point, is shown creepily taking pictures of girls to sell. He would clearly fit right in as an animator at Studio Gainax. -- Compiling_Autumn
EoTV is a therapist, EoE is a drill instructor. -- Chuckman
Seriously, that is the most fananked theory I've ever heard, more than Mari being Marty McFly travelling through time to keep her parents (Asushin) together. -- Jäeger
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I have no experience with Soundcloud or anything like that. The best I can do is say that the tune is the four violin notes repeated in the background around and after 1:04:35 in the movie. The repeated sequence of "numbers" is 86,85,87,82.
...Actually, upon listening to both of them again they don't sound very similar.... I need a second opinion.
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Given Anno's history with biological sort of allusions, all the spines, words like "Central Dogma",
I wouldn't be too surprised if that was an one-letter-code amino acid sequence for some neuro-peptide thing.
...or maybe just another easter egg like the history of studio gainax in EoE XD
EDIT: It isn't. Just checked in a mayor databse. Then again, it should have been obvious with Os and Us in this *scratches head*
Okay, one more theory scratched.
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Personally, I think that they sound rather similar. That's just my opinion, though.
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Hell, I'd buy it. I'd probably spend more time looking at it than using it as a towel, though. ;)
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We're veering offtopic. To bring everyone back on to the glyps per se, I'd like to take the opportunity to object to the musical interpretation.
The difficulty is, when you string together any random sequence of notes, they tend to sound like, well, any other random sequence of notes. Tone deaf as I am, I tend to think that this OEIS sequence sounds as much like Shinji's piano tune as the supposed Hex glyph version.
The difficulty is, when you string together any random sequence of notes, they tend to sound like, well, any other random sequence of notes. Tone deaf as I am, I tend to think that this OEIS sequence sounds as much like Shinji's piano tune as the supposed Hex glyph version.
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