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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:50 pm

View Original PostObsessiveMathsFreak wrote:The difficulty is, when you string together any random sequence of notes, they tend to sound like, well, any other random sequence of notes.

I went back and listened to each track individually; they are the same. What remains is to figure out what it means, and if it applies anywhere else.

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Postby riffraff11235 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:04 pm

View Original PostObsessiveMathsFreak wrote:The difficulty is, when you string together any random sequence of notes, they tend to sound like, well, any other random sequence of notes. Tone deaf as I am, I tend to think that this OEIS sequence sounds as much like Shinji's piano tune as the supposed Hex glyph version.

Except that isn't a random sequence. If you look closely you can see that there's an underlying structure to the numbers. Here's the sequence again for reference:

22,27,32,37,01,06,11,16,21,26,31,36,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,44,49,54,59,64,69,74,79,43,48,53,63

I'll split the sequence in the rows to make the pattern clearer:

22,27,32,37,
01,06,11,16,21,26,31,36,
45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,
44,49,54,59,64,69,74,79,
43,48,53,63


Multiple strings of notes separated by five keys. Doesn't seem very random to me, and it does sound like the tune used during Shinji's breakdown. The fact that there are 88 glyphs for 88 piano keys fits too well. Doesn't mean it's the only way the glyphs can be interpreted, but this way just works in this situation.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:51 pm

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Doesn't mean it's the only way the glyphs can be interpreted, but this way just works in this situation.

This is one of the many things that worries me about the glyphs. Since they are so random and unknown, it's entirely possible that there are several more interpretations out there. Granted, this is one of the only things we've tried that has worked, but there's got to be another way of looking at this.

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Postby thegoodson » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:18 pm

There's 88 constellations, and there's vague astronomy stuff associated with Shinji

That's about all I've got
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Postby Ornette » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:41 am

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:This is one of the many things that worries me about the glyphs. Since they are so random and unknown, it's entirely possible that there are several more interpretations out there. Granted, this is one of the only things we've tried that has worked, but there's got to be another way of looking at this.

I'm still uncertain about how the glyphs got mapped to those numbers. Is there a "key" for the mapping between the glyphs and numbers, that works across multiple instances (as opposed to just the collar and the piano tune of notes jumping up in perfect 4ths)? Specifically, does the numbers correlate to the glyphs in other instances or was it pigeon-holed to work with a specific piece of music?

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:20 am

View Original PostOrnette wrote:I'm still uncertain about how the glyphs got mapped to those numbers. Is there a "key" for the mapping between the glyphs and numbers, that works across multiple instances (as opposed to just the collar and the piano tune of notes jumping up in perfect 4ths)? Specifically, does the numbers correlate to the glyphs in other instances or was it pigeon-holed to work with a specific piece of music?

It began on reddit where people were trying to make a sense of the series of letters that the DSS Choker schematics shown.
And one of the poster noticed that in the 2.0 CRC, there was 88 different glyphs listed, and that it could correspond with the 88 keys of a piano, since the piano imagery was used a lot in Q.
Then the one who discovered the whole thing took the list of runes in his CRC exemplar, numerated the runes from 1 to 88 from from up to bottom and from right to left(the traditional Japanese reading direction), noted the 32 runes that appeared on the DSS Choker schematic, made them correspond with the runes in the CRC, and then noted the corresponding number in the order of the runes displaying in the scene of the schematics.

And finally playing the keys on a piano following that order of numbers, he obtained the the 32 first notes of the song of Shinji's breakdown! Actually the letters were a Red Herring, it was the runes themselves and the order of their appearance that mattered!
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Postby riffraff11235 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:13 am

ElMariachi has it right. Here's a copy of the diagram that was used for reference. It's a good summary of all that we've discovered about the glyphs so far.

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View Original PostElMariachi wrote:Actually the letters were a Red Herring, it was the runes themselves and the order of their appearance that mattered!


Those letters are the greatest indication that the glyphs can be interpreted in multiple ways. Unless they really are meaningless, but I don't feel that's the case.
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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:45 am

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Those letters are the greatest indication that the glyphs can be interpreted in multiple ways. Unless they really are meaningless, but I don't feel that's the case.

Sorry, I explained myself wrongly : what I meant is that for the piano keys mysteries the letters were irrelevant, maybe they have a sense for another instance of the runes appearing somewhere in the movies, or will be relevant in Final.
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Postby Kendrix » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:42 pm

They're obviously atlantean runes:
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Postby UrsusArctos » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:27 pm

Will Nadia's runes turn out to be music? I doubt it. Nevertheless, it's a fascinating find. I'm very impressed.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:23 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:They're obviously atlantean runes.

Do any of the runes match up with the glyphs that we've discovered thus far? If they do, this is going to be an amazing discovery.

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Postby riffraff11235 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:24 pm

View Original PostNuclear Lunchbox wrote:Do any of the runes match up with the glyphs that we've discovered thus far? If they do, this is going to be an amazing discovery.

They look similar, but I think the runes we see in Rebuild are more "dense" than the ones in Nadia.
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Postby Craftee » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:40 am

View Original Postriffraff11235 wrote:Except that isn't a random sequence. If you look closely you can see that there's an underlying structure to the numbers. Here's the sequence again for reference:

22,27,32,37,01,06,11,16,21,26,31,36,45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,44,49,54,59,64,69,74,79,43,48,53,63

I'll split the sequence in the rows to make the pattern clearer:

22,27,32,37,
01,06,11,16,21,26,31,36,
45,50,55,60,65,70,75,80,
44,49,54,59,64,69,74,79,
43,48,53,63



It looks like a poem structure to me.
maybe we can decipher a poem.


what if we started at 00 instead of 01, would that change anything?
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:43 am

Talk about a :resurrect: if I ever saw one. :lol:

This thread is pretty much dead, though. I think analysis stopped around the time that it sunk in that we weren't going to be getting much FINAL info for a long time. Now, that doesn't mean that analysis isn't appreciated, but I'm not sure how much active speculah there's going to be on this from the forums at large until we get a better framework to go off of. You seem quite motivated, though. ;)

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Postby Craftee » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:00 am

I was re watching 3.33 and saw the glyph + alphabet on the dss choker.
I went frame by frame taking photos. then i did a google image search and eventually came across this post.
After i finished reading this thread, i was utterly mind blown.
then someone when i saw him post those numbers, i became intrigued and thought i would investigate further.
i googled #88 and came across Shakespeare's sonnets!
making the connection between poems and Shakespeare i was convinced i had something.
but i have yet to connect these ideas together to formulate a hypothesis.
so i continue to investigate!...

EDIT: found something!
possibly more evidence that glyphs , music , and messages are somehow tied?

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Postby Blacklightxxxx » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:10 pm

Random thought:

There are seven main keys in piano: CDEFGAH(B) where H and B are the same key (scandinavians use H instead of B). They form Octaves and the distance between the first C in piano keys to the second C is called an octave. Octave is formed from 5 black keys and 8 white keys, which equals total of 13 keys in a octave.

I would say the glyphs are notes, and they don't necessarily form words, rather piano tracks. Nge is full of musical methaphores, and the octave theory would explain why the so far last unit is numbered 13, and why Mari has been chosen to pilot both units 05 and 08 (8+5=13) (Unit 00 doesn't fit into this theory though, and where are 10, 11 and 12? Also the amount of functioning units is currently 3, less or more, and this theory has LOTS of gaps to be filled or destroyed)

BUT I'm happy if someone gets something out of this and it's useful =^∞^=

P.s. I'm not telling we should turn all glyphs into music because it would take a LOOOOOT of time and effort
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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:16 pm

The Glyphs = Piano has been discussed before, and there even was an hidden musical cameo coming from the Glyphs flashing with roman letters in the DSS Choker's schematics.

No other correspondence has been found yet.
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Postby Blacklightxxxx » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:42 pm

^ lost a part of my writing......

If we look for similar pieces in the already existing tracks on Rebuild, which we are able to make from the glyphs, and took the parts where someone says something during the part playing, and attached them together, we (maybe) would be able to construct something that reminds poetry (or it'll be a complete disaster)???

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:22 pm

Found that reddit post today, gotta say that's a super cool discovery! A little surprised people didn't realize the NGE A-4/respective Q track similarities when that was pointed out way back when the 3.0 OST was released.

If there's a way to decode more of the glyphs seen in the films, that'd be really cool.
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