Glyphs

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

Moderators: New Moderators, Board Staff

qu4d
Sandalphon
Sandalphon
User avatar
Age: 33
Posts: 538
Joined: Oct 09, 2008
Gender: Male

[SPOILERS] Glyphs

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby qu4d » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:11 pm

The new NERV logo has those glyphs in the lower left corner...

Image

and in the scene with the choker, we get an alphabet with those glyphs (not compiled by me)
SPOILER: Show
Image

We could also see them on the floor at the beginning of 2.22...
SPOILER: Show
Image

...and in the trailer for 3.0 behind Mari...
SPOILER: Show
Image

...and Rei.
SPOILER: Show
Image


Anybody already got to know what they stand for in the logo? And have you spotted those glyphs anywhere else?

Reichu
Space-Time Teratoma
Space-Time Teratoma
Posts: 23058
Joined: Aug 21, 2004
Location: Lost in Bat Country
Gender: Female
Contact:

Re: [SPOILERS] Glyphs

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:25 pm

View Original Postqu4d wrote:And have you spotted those glyphs anywhere else?

They're on all of the Angel-sealing pillars seen in both 2.0 and 3.0.

TMBounty_Hunter
Hachigouki is my waifu
Hachigouki is my waifu
User avatar
Posts: 3156
Joined: Nov 08, 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:34 pm

They're in the 2.0 CRC book, page 87, credited to Anno himself.

SPOILER: Show
Image
Image

Whoever figures out what they mean will solve all mysteries of Eva
"Hooray for other things!" -NAveryW

andreh
Lilith
User avatar
Posts: 112
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby andreh » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:17 pm

Seem to be alien writings
Maybe they are copies of the language present in the Dead Sea Scrolls? :bigeyes:
I do not speak English natively. If you see any error, blame my teacher or Google Translate LOL

Mr. Tines
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar
Age: 61
Posts: 20168
Joined: Nov 23, 2004
Location: This sceptered isle.
Gender: Male
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:17 pm

With 88 characters, there's no obvious match to a character set (unlike the Madoka witch-runes).
Reminder: Play nicely <<>> My vanity publishing:- NGE|blog|Photos|retro-blog|Fanfics|G+|MAL
Avatar: Ritsu-chan

TMBounty_Hunter
Hachigouki is my waifu
Hachigouki is my waifu
User avatar
Posts: 3156
Joined: Nov 08, 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:30 pm

Google gives 使徒封印用呪詛文様 as "Apostle Sealing curse pattern" so it seems to be the typical Gainax/khara Kanjiflood way of saying some straightforward as Anti-Angel Runes.

Was there threads about this before? I can't imagine there weren't some back in 2.0 days but too lazy to look.
"Hooray for other things!" -NAveryW

Koishiro
Embryo
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 22
Joined: Mar 21, 2012
Location: Toledo, Brazil
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Koishiro » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:19 pm

Apparently, none of the glyphs listed match with the ones on the tangram logo. Sigh... well, it's Eva after all.

But what bugs me on that new logo is: why the two glyphs of the right are exactly the same as those on the left, just flipped 90º?
Flipped glyphs means different things or just stylish placement?

"Every chance we get we run"

Kendrix
Defender of Puppy Boy
Defender of Puppy Boy
User avatar
Age: 24
Posts: 5037
Joined: Jul 27, 2010
Location: Germany
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Kendrix » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:50 pm

Either way, it's most likely the FAR language.
Make Clone Love Not Clone War

TMBounty_Hunter
Hachigouki is my waifu
Hachigouki is my waifu
User avatar
Posts: 3156
Joined: Nov 08, 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:00 am

Originally I was planning to play this game myself, but then I realized I like sleep.

But in case anyone is incredibly bored....

Here's a nice clean version of the CRC glyphs, with rows and columns numbered for easy reference

SPOILER: Show
Image



And here are all the glyphs from the DSS Choker screen, with their associated letter.

SPOILER: Show
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Have fun
"Hooray for other things!" -NAveryW

Ramiel²
Ramiel
Ramiel
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 374
Joined: Nov 06, 2008
Location: Germany, Berlin
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ramiel² » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:59 am

It may have to do that the glyphs in the NERV logo are stylized but i cant identifiy any of those with the glyphs on the sheet for which we have letters/numbers.

Is that only me or was it allready deciphired?

qu4d
Sandalphon
Sandalphon
User avatar
Age: 33
Posts: 538
Joined: Oct 09, 2008
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby qu4d » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:37 am

From the things you noticed thread - Glyphs also in the Eva 13 cockpit

SPOILER: Show
Image

Giji Shinka
Donor
Donor
User avatar
Age: 24
Posts: 2624
Joined: Jan 26, 2013
Location: Finland
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Giji Shinka » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:54 am

These symbols have appeared many times throughout the rebuilt films. This could be something groundbreaking and important! Or not...........Considering that this is Anno we are talking about. He most likely won't touch these things in 4.0 anymore..... :raincloud:

lastcody
Tunniel
User avatar
Posts: 172
Joined: Mar 06, 2013
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby lastcody » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:27 am

These symbols have appeared many times throughout the rebuilt films. This could be something groundbreaking and important! Or not...........Considering that this is Anno we are talking about. He most likely won't touch these things in 4.0 anymore.....



People are underestimating what 4.0 is going to be. remember this will be a new end of eva. Crazy shit is coming

Koishiro
Embryo
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 22
Joined: Mar 21, 2012
Location: Toledo, Brazil
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Koishiro » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:04 pm

Free time, so just made this (thanks TMBounty!):
SPOILER: Show
Image

These damn things are painful to recognize, and the font in the DSS Choker screen doesn't help much too. Couldn't figure the "8/B" and "R/K" bits thanks to it.
And this is the tangram-logo next to Fuyu when he invites Shinji to play Scary-Shogi.
SPOILER: Show
Image

As you can expect, none is associated with the alpha-glyphs.

"Every chance we get we run"

Ramiel²
Ramiel
Ramiel
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 374
Joined: Nov 06, 2008
Location: Germany, Berlin
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Ramiel² » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:07 pm

View Original PostKoishiro wrote:Free time, so just made this (thanks TMBounty!):
SPOILER: Show
Image

These damn things are painful to recognize, and the font in the DSS Choker screen doesn't help much too. Couldn't figure the "8/B" and "R/K" bits thanks to it.
And this is the tangram-logo next to Fuyu when he invites Shinji to play Scary-Shogi.
SPOILER: Show
Image

As you can expect, none is associated with the alpha-glyphs.


Omg, i didnt think of actually rotating the glyphs.

Nice work there.

Reichu
Space-Time Teratoma
Space-Time Teratoma
Posts: 23058
Joined: Aug 21, 2004
Location: Lost in Bat Country
Gender: Female
Contact:

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Reichu » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:17 pm

Nice work. I'd put my bets on "B" (you can see a line to the left) and "K" (since there is a clearly recognizable "R" already).

Koishiro
Embryo
User avatar
Age: 28
Posts: 22
Joined: Mar 21, 2012
Location: Toledo, Brazil
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Koishiro » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:07 pm

Ow, thanks Ramiel & Reichu.

These things really intrigue me; I was trying to find some hidden message on the DSS Choker, and I discovered two facts:
- The glyphs spin in a "8" shape, or "infinite" symbol if you prefer;
- There's no way to find a message there because the glyphs change every freakin' time!
On normal speed you don't notice this, but only when you stop frame by frame you see that they change in a blink.

ANNOOOO

I'm starting to think that these symbols actually lead to nowhere, just a incomplete puzzle tossed to the fans spend their neurons trying to solve it.

"Every chance we get we run"

toji_
Embryo
Age: 34
Posts: 3
Joined: Apr 29, 2013
Location: France
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby toji_ » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:11 am

View Original Postqu4d wrote:From the things you noticed thread - Glyphs also in the Eva 13 cockpit

SPOILER: Show
Image


glyph next to 13A at the bottom is 10,1 with 90° counterclockwise rotation.
glyph next to 13alpha at the bottom is 10,1 with 90° clockwise rotation.

glyphs on the left and right are still the 10,1.

Left ones are 10,1 with 90° clockwise rotation and mirror effect. (don't know how to explain it in english, sorry)
Right ones are 10,1 with 90° counterclockwise rotation and mirror effect. (don't know how to explain it in english, sorry)

I suppose we don't have to care about the mirrored one and wonder if there is one rotation for greek alphabet and one for latin alphabet.

At least, we can assume that 10,1 is for 1st letter of the alphabet. So, it is an A.

mireyu
Embryo
User avatar
Age: 36
Posts: 2
Joined: Dec 12, 2012

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby mireyu » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:27 am

Sigh.
SPOILER: Show

Image
Nyan!

Yokai
Embryo
User avatar
Age: 27
Posts: 45
Joined: Jan 16, 2013
Location: Portland, Oregon
Gender: Male

  •      
  •      
  • Quote

Postby Yokai » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:53 am

View Original Postmireyu wrote:Sigh.
SPOILER: Show

Image


Considering 3.0's very strong Nadia referential material, I also thought of that comparison. What's interesting, though, is that this isn't only a 3.0 thing but also a 2.0 thing.

Also, some points:

1) Seems like they intentionally gave us all of the vowels. With that, assuming there's no foul play, we may be able to figure out other characters through context.

2) They obviously designed these to be compact to annoy us, they want us to look into these characters. With that being said, there's probably not going to be much of value, but they probably want to keep us busy while production for 4.0 is going on.

3) I'm under the assumption that all of the current "2" characters are probably capitalized letters. That gives us 48 characters out of the current 88. Perhaps the remaining 40 are the main kana in hiragana or katakana? (therefore Wa Wo N are out of the picture?) It's difficult to say.

4) I'm going to take a wild guess and say the nerv logo probably has N E R V in it and are probably all of the "2" versions of them since the logo is usually capitalized. Could really be anything though.


Return to “Rebuild of Evangelion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests