thewayneiac wrote:Of course, part of the problem here is that you hold the minority view that the D.C. material is a retcon rather than an elaboration upon things that were already present.
Even if it is just an elaboration that's still a retcon because those additional materials change the reading. Besides, all I said was that you should point out those changes, which is interesting and worthwhile information to share regardless of how one feels about retcons or whatever.
Further, my views being in the minority doesn't make them less worthy of mention. That's the entire point of this discussion, that the wiki doesn't get much support because people view it as elitist and dogmatic. For the sake of argument I've already said I'm fine with a specific 'official stance' as long as others are mentioned when they conflict.
it would be an excellent choice for an alternative explanation article and I would fully support your writing one
I'd consider it, but my former experiences with theory articles makes me less than eager to waste my time. Basically I think it should be a standing rule that nobody mess with theory articles unless they actually support that theory, except for creating or adding to a 'rebuttal' section at the end.
Also, I'm sure Reichu is perfectly capable of speaking for herself.
The Unit-00 stuff is dependent upon where one draws the line. How much evidence do you need before a theory becomes fact? In my view the Rei 1 evidence is more than sufficient to list Rei 1 as the soul before linking to the theory page that presents the proof.
I agree with you on this one, but I still think alternative theories should be given their own space to be worked out and not all are as flimsy as the Naoko idea (which should STILL be given it's own space because it's such a common misconception and thus worthy of mention AND being torn to shreds in the rebuttle section), such as Bagheera's recent idea that each Rei and unit 00 have unique shards of Lilith, none of them recycled into others until the very end. I don't by it, but it's interesting.
under your standards, would the "anonymous assassin" explanation for Kaji's death have to be presented on a "Theory and Analysis: Who Shot Kaji" page separate from the main Kaji page because it came from an Anno interview rather than the text of the show? i.e., is everything dependent upon secondary sources to be segregated onto separate pages?
Nope, that would be accepted canon by the wiki's stated tier system, though since it isn't info direct from the latest version of the show, tier1, the source should be noted and any other ideas sent off to a disproved theories page/section/whatever with a link. I'm pretty sure I already said this earlier.
I agree the stuff about the Lake Conversation should moved, (and the Kibou/trick stuff probably thrown out as well), but I'm not so sure about the Kaworu's nature stuff. It's explicitly stated in the show that he is an Angel, and the "born from the contact experiment" business goes right to his nature as an Angel. It probably belongs on his main page, not the Kaworu's Agenda theory page.
That he has Adam's soul and a seemingly human body (as human as Rei is, which is somewhat dubious) is certainly true, but when, where and how he came to inhabit this form is conjecture. Was he actually born on 2I? Did they create a cloned body and slap Adam's soul into it or did Adam claim the body on it's own? Did Seele come to him or was it the other way around? Heck, for all we know Kaworu's body was a recently dead or comatose human that he's just joyriding around in.
Whose survivors is she talking about other than those who survive Fuyutsuki's death? A general statement that Seele could bump off any Second Impact survivor makes no sense in context. She must be speaking of the people surrounding Fuyutsuki. He then makes it plain that she meant herself by bringing up the contact experiment.
I disagree. My reading of that scene is that she is saying in the wake of 2I that Seele's power has grown to the point that they can snuff out anyone, anywhere. It's not a specific threat that motivates her, but rather the systemic threat in general... she doesn't want Shinji to spend his whole life as just a cog in their machine. Fuyu is saying that opposing them doesn't have to mean putting herself directly in harm's way, but if not her then who will? Certainly not Gendo, at least not as he was... he was becoming very much a 'company man'.