What if Shinji...

qu4d · Clockiel Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Age: 27 Gender: Male

...dies? I dont know whether you would categorize this as speculation, because I wouldnt do that... it's just a question that came to my mind.

I never have seen anybody talk about this. What would you say/think, if Shinji might die in Evangelion Q? Maybe at the end and in Evangelion: Finale we might see the aftermath of that. Would be a huge twist imho.

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TheFriskyIan · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:14 am Post subject:

If he dies in Q, then how will we get his screaming in FINAL?

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It would never happen because he's our viewpoint character and audience surrogate.

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bobbyfischer's ghost · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject:

If he does the narrative goes down with him.

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qu4d · Clockiel Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Age: 27 Gender: Male

AuraTwilight wrote:

It would never happen because he's our viewpoint character and audience surrogate.

Which is what would/could be interesting... a different narative.

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cd603 · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject:

Not gonna lie here, Asuka seems more likely to die in Q than Shinji does. The fact that these new trailers all seem to focus on her solely suggests that she has a large part in the plot and her death (mostly likely at the end of Q) would most likely reflect this.

TheFriskyIan · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject:

cd603 wrote:

Not gonna lie here, Asuka seems more likely to die in Q than Shinji does. The fact that these new trailers all seem to focus on her solely suggests that she has a large part in the plot and her death (mostly likely at the end of Q) would most likely reflect this.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't like the sound of that.

She was actually likeable in 2.0.

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AuraTwilight · Evangelion Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Location: Za Warudo

Yea, because she had pretty much no personality. Asuka without the bitch is...well...Asuka's face.

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Alaska Slim · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: ARRGh me DUMKOPHS! BE]

^ She's a pirate? Yar, har, fiddle-dee-dee!

Honestly, I'm already all for the "dying" idea, I think it's that which will push Shinji to "deal" with Kawrou.

Hopefully though, we'll get some more characterization for the girl before then, otherwise we'll just be left wondering why she wasn't simply killed off in 2.0.

Also, EPIC PREDICTION; Kawrou will in turn be dressed up like a ninja.

I mean think about it, he already sneak-attacked Shinji.

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Brainman · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: Re: ARRGh me DUMKOPHS! BE]

Alaska Slim wrote:

Honestly, I'm already all for the "dying" idea, I think it's that which will push Shinji to "deal" with Kawrou.

Using a female character's tragedy to motivate a central male character towards some sort of action is the kind of banal bs I hope this steers clear of.

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EvangelionFan · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:10 am Post subject:

I wonder if Shinji still has his skin, I mean it looked like it all flaked/peeled off in that scene in 2.xx and by association maybe he'll have blue hair and look like Rei except talk like Shinji

But really, isn't this the same as the speculation thread?

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KnightmareX13 · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: Re: What if Shinji...

qu4d wrote:

...dies? I dont know whether you would categorize this as speculation, because I wouldnt do that... it's just a question that came to my mind.

I never have seen anybody talk about this. What would you say/think, if Shinji might die in Evangelion Q? Maybe at the end and in Evangelion: Finale we might see the aftermath of that. Would be a huge twist imho.

This has got me thinking, what if Shinji can no longer return to human form, like in episode 20, which I guess from a legal sense would be considered dead. And Gendo needs Shinji for his master plan so he pulls a rei on shinji in other words he clones him. Why not? He would have Yui's genetics on hand and he has his and ethics need not apply. So why Shinji is dead and soul searching among Ritsuko's abstract theories and LCL the narration could be taken over by the other characters and when Shinji is successfully cloned it could continue following him trying to come to terms with his new reality, since he wouldn't remember anything previously, and have him realize his destiny and become a legend!

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Ceimoa Nan · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: Re: ARRGh me DUMKOPHS! BE]

Brainman wrote:

Using a female character's tragedy to motivate a central male character towards some sort of action is the kind of banal bs I hope this steers clear of.

You mean like what they did in End of Evangelion?

(Sure, screaming uncontrollably isn't really "some sort of action," but to me it looked like it took Shinji seeing the aftermath of Asuka's death for Eva-01 to completely awaken, and consequently for the Spear to return to Earth.)

But I like that sort of stuff. I like to think a female affects a male in a way nothing else does. Apparently that means I'm sexist. But probably no more sexist than Anno and Company, considering that EoE scene, and how Rei's "death" in 2.0 motivated Shinji to action. And how the first episode of the whole series ended with Shinji being motivated to pilot Eva-01 by seeing wounded Rei. The series and movies are filled with "banal bs."

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Asuka dying again? Doesn't seem likely, the emotional impact of seeing Asuka die YET again is starting to fade I think.

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Ceimoa Nan wrote:

(Sure, screaming uncontrollably isn't really "some sort of action," but to me it looked like it took Shinji seeing the aftermath of Asuka's death for Eva-01 to completely awaken, and consequently for the Spear to return to Earth.)

But this is actually kind of EoE's point. Shinji excessively allows the events of other people's (read: women's) lives to rule his actions (read: inactions). He is completely boxed in between the contradictory impulses that Rei, Misato, and Asuka push on him. The cathartic oomph of EoE lies in watching him fuck everything up to try and avoid the pain of these contradictions, and then out of nowhere do something right because of what he wanted and what he himself thought was right. In NME the situation is reversed: Shinji has successfully thrown off his inertia, but only so because he wanted his albino hugbox back. He's already done something wrong because of them evil wimmens. Asuka dying would be of limited importance at this point, because Shinji has already exercised his power to start a catastrophic event because he wants to be one with xxx in heart and mind. His job now is to learn how to be less of a little autist, not to go nuts and attempt to kill everyone for the second time in a week.

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bobbyfischer's ghost · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:29 am Post subject:

EvangelionFan wrote:

I wonder if Shinji still has his skin, I mean it looked like it all flaked/peeled off in that scene in 2.xx and by association maybe he'll have blue hair and look like Rei except talk like Shinji

But really, isn't this the same as the speculation thread?

I wonder about that too, So would that mean that there is a definite connection

between the children and the Adam's in the rebuild universe.

And yes it seems this is slowly becoming more speculation.

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**Ornette** · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:01 am Post subject:

And in EoE, he was told exactly what his choice (both choices) would do and what it would lead to, but people assume that in Rebuild, Shinji's somehow in the know that what his disembodied efforts are doing to the outside world, or that he can hear Misato's screaming.

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Alaska Slim · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: Re: ARRGh me DUMKOPHS! BE]

Brainman wrote:

Using a female character's tragedy to motivate a central male character towards some sort of action is the kind of banal bs I hope this steers clear of.

1. It's Rebuild, it's meant to make you feel uncomfortable.

2. Shinji kills him after Kawrou and Asuka have EPIC DUELS!1!!

.... Oh wait, I found my post;

Alaska Slim wrote:

4. Shinji shall save Misato to redeem himself for abandoning her to begin with, and assists her in completing Kaji/Mari's plan, which may still result in her (Misato's) death.

5. Shinji and Asuka are for a stretched period forced together, and Asuka struggles with her feelings while remaining mindful of Rei's (sacrifice?), perhaps reminding or telling Shinji of how Rei felt.

6. In his trying to replace Rei in Shinji's heart, Asuka and Kawrou come to blows. She's defeated/dies, Shinji then faces him instead, and kills him (once again), but not before Kawrou does something "Rei-like" that tortures his conscience.

Failing all this though, there is still one other way Asuka could die, a way I believe that is my most credible theory yet.

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tomrule123 · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:03 am Post subject:

Eh. I don't care. Having the main characters dying in Anime shows seems normal to me nowadays ... though, not in Q. Unfortunately, he's the pilot of EVA 01, and that EVA is the key to all of this. Clearly, the final film will be of importance for EVA 01 and Shinji. To have him end up dying in the final film would be more legit than in Q.

Bagheera · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: ARRGh me DUMKOPHS! BE]

Brainman wrote:

Using a female character's tragedy to motivate a central male character towards some sort of action is the kind of banal bs I hope this steers clear of.

Were you sleeping during 2.xx, then? NGE avoided this. NME is built upon it.

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