Why was Shinji strangling Asuka at the end of EoE?

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Why was Shinji strangling Asuka at the end of EoE?

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Postby aznskills90214 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:27 pm

I'm still basically trying to understand the actual events in EoE, not even getting into the psychological/metaphorical stuff. Like, I just straight-up don't even know why that happened. He was... choking her. I can't really articulate it any more explicitly than that? HE WAS CHOKING HER.

Why was he choking her?
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Postby mastervampire » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:30 pm

Some people just like being choked during sex.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:43 pm

Alas, there was an excellent post from Anime Nation Forums which I can't find, but it more or less said how by EoE, ALL the characters were PAST their breaking points and naturally, had completely fucking snapped. Therefore, we see them at their absolute worst, lowest, points.
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Postby aznskills90214 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:50 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:Alas, there was an excellent post from Anime Nation Forums which I can't find, but it more or less said how by EoE, ALL the characters were PAST their breaking points and naturally, had completely fucking snapped. Therefore, we see them at their absolute worst, lowest, points.


So you're trying to say they were all just bat shit crazy and that's how Shinji expressed himself?
Like, I'm not disagreeing with you; that actually makes a lot of sense. I just want to make sure that's what you're actually saying.
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Postby the_seventh_child » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:30 pm

I guess he was angry because there was nowhere food in sight.

Or, what SSD said. One or the other.
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Postby Ornette » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:00 pm

The (long) Passage of Time thread: http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/2270/Passage-of-Time-EoE-Final-Scene/

There's a lot of debate and discussion about this that span dozens of threads. Doing a search for "Shinji choke Asuka" or "Shinji strangle Asuka" over at the search page: http://forum.evageeks.org/search.php will give you some more relevant threads.
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Postby gatotsu911 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:46 pm

I wrote something halfway decent in response to this question somewhere the other day. I'll see if I can dig it up. (Be warned, it's a personal interpretation rather than an authoritative "THIS IS WHY THIS HAPPENED" explanation, because I pretty strongly believe that personal interpretation is just about the only valid way to talk about the bucketfuls of emotionally subjective content in EoE.)
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Postby EveryoneGotTurnedIntoTang » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:23 pm

I tend to take the Cardass explanation that Shinji was trying to see if Asuka was real and had come back after being left alone in the world for so long. That's pretty much supported by Quantum!Rei's appearance beforehand.
Of course he doesn't realize what the heck he is doing until Asuka caresses him, which causes him to cry partly because he's hurting people again and that's what he wished for, as well as a variety of reasons I would prefer not to discuss now.
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Postby CJD » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:50 pm

The answer to that question is the Holy Grail of Eva fandom (or, well, one of them). Basically, as of now, the only answers you'll get are opinions, as there's no definitive answer.


Gonna repost something from an old thread.


The way I see it is that Shinji strangling her is either to verify reality, that she is in fact there, and/or to verify that she has the will to live....

Asuka reaches up to Shinji, at which point he stops strangling her. This is her verifying, to him, that she is real and has the will to live. When Shinji sees this, he lets her go and begins to cry, perhaps due to joy at not being alone, joy that Asuka is alive (Since he saw Eva 02 in such a mangled state), or perhaps the weight of everything he's seen and been through finally spills over, now that he has someone for him to cry to.



People often bring up the rusty nail as evidence that a long period of time passed, and Shinji has lost it (he knows he can kill), but, personally, I'm not convinced of that. I find it more likely that he just found a rusty nail and used that.


But, like I said, that's just my opinion, man, and it's just as questionable as every other theory.


View Original PostOrnette wrote:The (long) Passage of Time thread: http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/2270/Passage-of-Time-EoE-Final-Scene/

There's a lot of debate and discussion about this that span dozens of threads. Doing a search for "Shinji choke Asuka" or "Shinji strangle Asuka" over at the search page: http://forum.evageeks.org/search.php will give you some more relevant threads.


Oh! That was a thread I've never seen, but that "Card" basically says what I said! Neat.

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Postby Fireball » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:04 am

To make sure that it was real after all the mind melding accid trip is one of the popular theories. Personally, I would have grabbed her boobs though.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:13 am

View Original PostCJD wrote:I find it more likely that he just found a rusty nail and used that.
Even with a rusted nail (which you would expect to be found in a part-burned post, any galvanizing burned off and the iron itself oxidising), it takes a while for rust to wash off it onto what you've hung on it.

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Postby symbv » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:39 am

View Original PostCJD wrote:People often bring up the rusty nail as evidence that a long period of time passed, and Shinji has lost it (he knows he can kill), but, personally, I'm not convinced of that. I find it more likely that he just found a rusty nail and used that.

I am defintely with you on this. I do not buy the Long Passage of Time interpretation at the end of EoE. In fact I am not sure that is rust we are talking about. Who knows what kind of chemical reactions could have taken place during 3rd Impact? From how the film rolls and the editing, it seems to me relatively short time had passed before Shinji found Asuka. Hence his action could be explained by his memory carried over by his encounter with "Asuka" in his mind during the 3rd Impact. In short, he was still upset with Asuka and, not really able to tell reality from hallucination (the quantum Rei does not help), he continued doing what he did with Asuka earlier.

One interpretation I read is that Shinji really intended to kill Asuka, as an act of mercy, to save her from having to try to survive in the barren post-impact world because he himself held no hope about surviving. Asuka's caress surprised him and got him hope again.

Note: The question of why Shinji strangled Asuka at the end never had a settled interpretation. The same applies to Asuka's last word.

Also, I have not checked Japanese blogs of what they think of the Passage of Time at the end of EoE. I guess I should give it a try -- at least to see if there is a consensus opinion about this.
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Postby Sachi » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:50 am

Answer: to fuck with the fandom.
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Postby robersora » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:56 am

View Original Postsymbv wrote:I am defintely with you on this. I do not buy the Long Passage of Time interpretation at the end of EoE. In fact I am not sure that is rust we are talking about. Who knows what kind of chemical reactions could have taken place during 3rd Impact? From how the film rolls and the editing, it seems to me relatively short time had passed before Shinji found Asuka. Hence his action could be explained by his memory carried over by his encounter with "Asuka" in his mind during the 3rd Impact. In short, he was still upset with Asuka and, not really able to tell reality from hallucination (the quantum Rei does not help), he continued doing what he did with Asuka earlier.

Yeah, that's pretty much my idea of the scene too... Shinji is still angry with her (at her?). And thus strangles her. But then she caresses him, which makes him stop, because she gives him love for the first time since they met. So it is a little bit of a happy ending, concerning the relationship between Asuka and Shinji.
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Postby CJD » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:39 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Even with a rusted nail (which you would expect to be found in a part-burned post, any galvanizing burned off and the iron itself oxidising), it takes a while for rust to wash off it onto what you've hung on it.



Assuming you're referring to the droopage below the hole, I'm not entirely convinced that's "rust washing off onto it". My thinking is this: The nail was already rusty for god knows what reason. When Shinji picks it up, it's wet. That drooping is just wet, dirty, water/lcl/grime.

I dunno. You raise a good point, but I think the other answers are much more likely, and too much thought is being put into it when we start talking about the time it takes for "Rust to wash off" onto something.

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Postby NemZ » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:11 am

Oh boy, this again...

Options include:
1) a stint of psychopathic madness
2) picking up where he left off in instrumentality
3) wants to prove that this is real/dream/instrumentality
4) mercy killing before she sees how bad it really is
5) preemptive murder before she can justifiably do the same
6) do you see anything else around here to eat?
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Postby Sachi » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:29 am

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Options include:
1) a stint of psychopathic madness
2) picking up where he left off in instrumentality
3) wants to prove that this is real/dream/instrumentality
4) mercy killing before she sees how bad it really is
5) preemptive murder before she can justifiably do the same
6) do you see anything else around here to eat?

7) granting Asuka's wish of "I'd rather die than be with you."
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Postby Someone » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:35 am

He went mad. :crazytwirl:
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Postby robersora » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:42 am

View Original PostSomeone wrote:He went mad. :crazytwirl:

Says the guy with the Dexter-Avatar who loves to tell people that Pen Pen has been cooked! :)
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Postby Reichu » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:10 am

View Original Postsymbv wrote:In fact I am not sure that is rust we are talking about.

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